Walmsley vs Rupp ***SHOTS FIRED***

finally wrote:

rojo wrote:

I'd much rather have a beer with Jim as well unless there was truth serum involved. If I could get Rupp to answer 3 questions honestly, I'd crowd source a million bucks to make it happen.

1) Have you knowingly ever taken a PED?

2) DO you think Alberto ever gave you a PED without you knowing?

3) Should you have been ineligible for NCAA violations during your entire Oregon career as your parents never paid Nike back for all the stuff you got before you enrolled?

This is just sour grapes and flat out jealousy, which is the theme on these boards - a bunch of hobbyjoggers who are jealous of Rupp's talent and the opportunities he had from an early age.

As to your fantasyland questions, the only one that is remotely interesting might be #2 - although definitely an odd question.

There are hundreds of talented and successful runners out there that don't have the PED accusations surrounding them that Rupp does. The reason Galen has these questions raised are because of the suspicious circumstances surrounding his career, not jealousy.

2:15 is not impressive compared to Rupp. Walmsley is a sour grapes baby.

When it comes to American Distance Running, Galen is the man.

sleazazar wrote:

finally wrote:

This is just sour grapes and flat out jealousy, which is the theme on these boards - a bunch of hobbyjoggers who are jealous of Rupp's talent and the opportunities he had from an early age.

As to your fantasyland questions, the only one that is remotely interesting might be #2 - although definitely an odd question.

There are hundreds of talented and successful runners out there that don't have the PED accusations surrounding them that Rupp does. The reason Galen has these questions raised are because of the suspicious circumstances surrounding his career, not jealousy.

Those accusations are unfair, undeserved and unjust. Salazar is appealing the ban and remains a great coach. This world is currently infected by a disease of false accusations. Dont like someone? Call them a bigot. Boom. Done. Now they are on the defensive. Its a weird world we live in where people can simply utter those keywords, and a great runner like Rupp has to suffer. He did not do anything wrong. This similar effect is happening everywhere. In the show, the bachelor, one of the contestants was labeled as a marriage wrecker and got disqualified. On the tell all, she told her side of the story, revealing that she is not a marriage wrecker. Yet everyone still suspects so simply because someone claimed that they were. In less than 5 breaths you can ruin someones rightfully earned reputation. And that is wrong. False accusations are wrong. I hope someday people go to jail for defaming and falsely labeling people.

Took testosterone as an athlete.

Had an athlete test positive for testosterone.

Had Rupp on "testosterone medication" as a teen.

Tested the amount of exogenous testosterone that would trigger a positive test on his own son.

Was found at training camp with a large supply of syringes and testosterone.

These are not the same as calling someone a bigot with no support. You are trying to conflate the two. You are part of the problem by burying your head in the sand, and Alberto is bad for the sport.

You watch the bachelor lol

Fair point. You are right that I am burying my head in the sand about Alberto because I do not want it to be true. I still believe those things are still not as blatant of cheating violations as say Lance Armstrong blood testing positive.

Do you at least agree that we should not label Galen as a cheater because the big anti cheating organizations have not found anything condemning?

Lol. yea. It is a bizarre show that warps reality.

Our justice system is built on innocent until proven guilty.

But with the #metoo movement.. it became clear that if several people who don't know each other allege the same thing about you, it is very likely you are guilty.

The same thing happened with Lance. Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, etc - all these people said Lance doped, and Lance denied it. "Show me the positive test" he would say - just Rupp defenders now say.

Rupp had the perfect training - (plucked up by one of the world's best at a young age.) He had a perfect career. Even his surgery went perfect. Perfect Rehab. And he won a perfect race, with his perfect form and perfect body type.

It's a boring story. Walmsley was a good runner in college, but not at Al Sal or Rupp's level. (29 minute 10K I think). But he got a DUI, got depressed, his life fell apart. Running helped him. He decided to get into ultras and go for the W in each race. First two attempts at WS he made mistakes. 3rd attempt he won. 4th attempt he won. He is imperfect, but has overcome some challenges, which is why he makes for a better story.

I remember on JRE when Joe asked Malcolm Gladwell who his favourite runner was. He said Rupp. Joe asked why. Gladwell said it's because Rupp has been the best at reaching his potential. Well that's nice, but I have yet to see Malcolm write a story about Rupp.

sleazazar wrote:

finally wrote:

This is just sour grapes and flat out jealousy, which is the theme on these boards - a bunch of hobbyjoggers who are jealous of Rupp's talent and the opportunities he had from an early age.

As to your fantasyland questions, the only one that is remotely interesting might be #2 - although definitely an odd question.

There are hundreds of talented and successful runners out there that don't have the PED accusations surrounding them that Rupp does. The reason Galen has these questions raised are because of the suspicious circumstances surrounding his career, not jealousy.

Example A. So which D1 school did you run at and how far behind Galen were you at nationals?

Jambo Cabao wrote:

You'd have to be an assshole to not route for Rupp. He's the greatest American distance runner in generations, and the very best of the era that got us out of the dark ages. How do you not route for the guy you were so desperate we'd eventually have, circa 2003?

Perhaps you meant root.

Here are 3 better questions:

(1) If you had been at the front with 600 to go in the London 10K, would you have won?

(2) If you had stayed in position with 600 to go in the London 5K, would you have medaled?

(3) Do you regret going back to help Mo in the Rio 10K?

If you want to substitute a different one:

Do you believe Mo was doping in 2011 and 2012, and if so, when did you reach that conclusion.

finally wrote:

sleazazar wrote:

There are hundreds of talented and successful runners out there that don't have the PED accusations surrounding them that Rupp does. The reason Galen has these questions raised are because of the suspicious circumstances surrounding his career, not jealousy.

Example A. So which D1 school did you run at and how far behind Galen were you at nationals?

Fail. Why don't I question the PED usage all of the other runners faster than me if it is indeed just based on jealousy?

And who actually gets drug tested in the winter? J.W. can run all the ultras he wants and hide out in the mountains. He ain't getting testing like Rupp and is likely avoiding any ADAMS pool. Before 2016 he was a nobody in the ultra world. He didn't place well at NCAA XC, was a 29 minute plus 10,000m runner and had lackluster ultra-trail results. He was only winning JFK 50 in 5:50 getting 5th at Lake Sonoma and almost last for Team USA at 100km Worlds. Check his 2015 stats. One would think such a big talent would do better in their first couple of years? My hunch is he is able to get back up to those 160 mile weeks with ease before Comrades and UTMB..

hhsrunner32 wrote:

try getting out of your mothers basement and see the world wrote:

Why do people keep saying Rupp doesn’t know who Walmsley is? Why wouldn’t Rupp know who won WS100 the last two years? Does Rupp live under a rock?

Because no one cares about the WS100. Stupidest event ever. That’s just for the runners who weren’t talented enough to become marathoners so they do that because they have too much time on their hands.

Nobody cares about the WS100? That is a dumb thing to say when you are comparing it to a sport that almost nobody cares about as well. People care about football. Basketball. Baseball. Soccer. As a percentage of the population the the difference between ultra running fans and marathon fans is a rounding error.

try getting out of your mothers basement and see the world wrote:

Walmsley goes on the offensive:

I would say me and most other people aren’t rooting for Galen.

There’s no doubt that he’s an extremely talented, extremely hardworking athlete. One of the most amazing things about him, especially with recent stuff, is that he shows up on race day and he gets the job done and executes his best race plan. He’s a great competitor. Not necessarily rooting for him.

Will Rupp rise to this?

Who would win a fistfight between Jim and Galen?

https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/jim-walmsley-olympic-marathon-trial-results-interview.html

Who are "Most other people"???

Don't just throw out some half asss comment without owning it. How about why you won't root for Galen? Let's face the facts, he's a "Good" marathoner at best and will never be an Olympian. He tried to run with the big dogs and failed......PERIOD!!! Back to the 200 mile training weeks and 100 mile races.

A 2:15 marathon is impressive for somebody with another full time job. Why anyone would give credence to his opinion is quite simply, fishing for drama.

You wouldn't rather ask Paula Radcliffe to have to answer honestly about PED use? She was actually a world record holder. Galen Rupp of all the athletes in the world, who only has a silver and a bronze Olympic medal, that's the guy you would crowd source a million dollars for? Comes across like you have a personal issue.

Sure, not a cheater. Highly suspicious works for me.

I certainly get and respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't really understand the certitude. Is it possible that Galen cheated? Absolutely it is possible. It's also possible that Galen never cheated or "knowingly cheated" to use Rojo's words. Is it possible that every single NOP athlete cheated? Yes of course it's possible, but just because Salazar was doing highly questionable and even illegal things doesn't necessarily mean any or all NOP athletes cheated. It might be guilt by association in the court of public opinion, but that doesn't make it reality or fact. I have no issues if someone believes it is more likely that he cheated than not, but to state it as an absolute fact is just downright wrong. If it is ever proven irrefutably that he or any athlete cheated then he/they get what they deserve.

Rojo do you really think it matters how he answers any of those questions? It seems to me many have already pre-determined their position.