Putterpus wrote:
Anyone who thinks a man or woman who wants to change their gender isn't suffering from extreme mental illness is just deluding themself.
There's such a crisis of "not wanting to offend" that people will now tolerate any destructive behavior.
You should accept them for being who they are just like they accept you for having a low IQ.
real talk wrote:
The women should boycott any event with trans athletes.
This.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, it is a mental illness.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria
[quote]Facts are facts wrote:
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, it is a mental illness.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria
The newest version of DSM-V rewritten in 2013 carries the view that gender dysphoria is not an inherent part of being transgender. The distress related to dysphoria derives from a culture that stigmatizes those that do not conform to social conventions. Ie... people like yourself.
Yo should actually read the manual yourself rather than rely on some inexperienced reporters interpretation.
Actually, the reporter did interpret the book appropriately. You just did not understand the article.
I love when posters in an effort to prove their point self incriminate themselves.
judgmentalness wrote:
Putterpus wrote:
Anyone who thinks a man or woman who wants to change their gender isn't suffering from extreme mental illness is just deluding themself.
There's such a crisis of "not wanting to offend" that people will now tolerate any destructive behavior.
You should accept them for being who they are just like they accept you for having a low IQ.
To be fair, these things aren't mutually exclusive. One could believe that they suffer from an extreme form of mental illness while also treating them with respect and allowing them to live their lives, as long as it's not directly harming anyone.
judgmentalness wrote:
Actually, the reporter did interpret the book appropriately. You just did not understand the article.
I love when posters in an effort to prove their point self incriminate themselves.
You are correct. GID was removed from sexual disorders in DSM5 and changed to GD and given a category of it's own. GD is now a "mental distress" instead of a "disorder" in order to help remove the stigma with the term "disorder."
file:///home/chronos/u-f22cabeed4e14dcf647ba426a65340446b8d4cbb/MyFiles/Downloads/APA_DSM-5-Gender-Dysphoria.pdf
The bottom line is that if we make the debate about mental illness and not fairness we will lose.
I don't agree it is a mental illness, however, I completely agree with it not being fair.
If you guys make this about anything else but fairness, you are giving people like Elizabeth Warren a platform for votes. Do you understand this?
You are still not interpreting it correctly.
The disorder is being uncomfortable with your current gender.
Which actually would mean if you are a naturally born female but you see yourself as male and that is causing distress because you have not changed then that fits the definition of the disorder. You have the disorder in this case because you are not trans.
Agree with it or not that is what it is saying. I think it’s over your level of understanding.
judgmentalness wrote:
You are still not interpreting it correctly.
The disorder is being uncomfortable with your current gender.
Which actually would mean if you are a naturally born female but you see yourself as male and that is causing distress because you have not changed then that fits the definition of the disorder. You have the disorder in this case because you are not trans.
Agree with it or not that is what it is saying. I think it’s over your level of understanding.
It's really not that hard to understand. According to DSM5, the naturally born female in your example is suffering from mental distress, not a disorder. Disorder is a stigmatizing term.
I really wish LRC would stop being a safe space for the anti-trans crowd.
Facts are facts wrote:
judgmentalness wrote:
You are still not interpreting it correctly.
The disorder is being uncomfortable with your current gender.
Which actually would mean if you are a naturally born female but you see yourself as male and that is causing distress because you have not changed then that fits the definition of the disorder. You have the disorder in this case because you are not trans.
Agree with it or not that is what it is saying. I think it’s over your level of understanding.
It's really not that hard to understand. According to DSM5, the naturally born female in your example is suffering from mental distress, not a disorder. Disorder is a stigmatizing term.
You have actually thrown yourself under the bus again. Do you see how?
Putterpus wrote:
Anyone who thinks a man or woman who wants to change their gender isn't suffering from extreme mental illness is just deluding themself.
There's such a crisis of "not wanting to offend" that people will now tolerate any destructive behavior.
"Extreme mental illness" would mean they can't function in society and would be incapable of supporting themselves. Bruce Jenner said that he knew he wanted to be a woman as early as ten years old, but yet he trained as a decathlete for several years, won a Gold Medal and is a multimillionaire. Is that your definition of the life of a mentally ill person?
judgmentalness wrote:
Facts are facts wrote:
It's really not that hard to understand. According to DSM5, the naturally born female in your example is suffering from mental distress, not a disorder. Disorder is a stigmatizing term.
You have actually thrown yourself under the bus again. Do you see how?
I’ll help you. The article you posted refers to it as a disorder
Regardless of ones moral opinion on this topic, one thing is clear: From a legal standpoint transgender laws in sports (if passed) would eventually end women’s sports as we know them. Legally it is not possible to support Title IX legislation while also permitting XY men to participate on XX women’s sporting teams. The purpose of Title IX was to help level the field of play between men and women. Until someone can prove legally in the court of law that gender is not based on XX and XY chromosomes then the two laws would collide. It would only be a matter of time before numerous XY boys identify as XX girls in order to gain access to Title IX opportunities available to women. In today’s world of ultra competitive college admission standards high school students understand that sports are one of the only ways to gain acceptance to top tier universities (as seen in the children of celebrities college scandal). A straight ‘A’ XY male high school student with a 1420 SAT score and 3200M PR of 9:50 has virtually zero chance to gain acceptance to an Ivy League or elite college. If that same XY male student identifies as a female and plans to run in college they would most likely get a full scholarship to any college in the country (a scholarship and roster spot that would have gone to an XX female). This will happen, and the court will be forced to choose between Title IX and Transgender Acceptance laws. If the latter wins and precedent is established Title IX and women only teams/leagues as we know them will rapidly disintegrate.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Putterpus wrote:
Anyone who thinks a man or woman who wants to change their gender isn't suffering from extreme mental illness is just deluding themself.
There's such a crisis of "not wanting to offend" that people will now tolerate any destructive behavior.
"Extreme mental illness" would mean they can't function in society and would be incapable of supporting themselves. Bruce Jenner said that he knew he wanted to be a woman as early as ten years old, but yet he trained as a decathlete for several years, won a Gold Medal and is a multimillionaire. Is that your definition of the life of a mentally ill person?
Yes. Though I don't take him at his word that he believed he was female before he was on the Kardashian show.
opinj wrote:
[quote]nnze wrote:
Elizabeth Warren
@ewarren
Trans athletes are not a threat. We need to protect trans kids—and all LGBTQ+ kids—and ensure they feel safe and welcomed at school. I urge the Arizona legislature to reject this cruel bill.
.___________________________________________
Gosh, what a dumb thing to say.
Remember James from Texas? These people will make it legal for sick parents and Doctors to groom toddlers to their perverted whim if it will get them elected.Elizabeth warren is a pervert to me just as much as some people think trump is , or more.
Why don't we talk publicly about the prevalence of mental health issues and psychological dysfunction in homes from which Trans kids come from just like we do with recidivist criminals? Oh yeah, we only talk about street level criminals, and oh yeah because the come from poverty and just as many trans kids come from middle class up to wealthy. Warren could probably mess some kids up herself.
BTC wrote:
Regardless of ones moral opinion on this topic, one thing is clear: From a legal standpoint transgender laws in sports (if passed) would eventually end women’s sports as we know them. Legally it is not possible to support Title IX legislation while also permitting XY men to participate on XX women’s sporting teams. The purpose of Title IX was to help level the field of play between men and women. Until someone can prove legally in the court of law that gender is not based on XX and XY chromosomes then the two laws would collide. It would only be a matter of time before numerous XY boys identify as XX girls in order to gain access to Title IX opportunities available to women. In today’s world of ultra competitive college admission standards high school students understand that sports are one of the only ways to gain acceptance to top tier universities (as seen in the children of celebrities college scandal). A straight ‘A’ XY male high school student with a 1420 SAT score and 3200M PR of 9:50 has virtually zero chance to gain acceptance to an Ivy League or elite college. If that same XY male student identifies as a female and plans to run in college they would most likely get a full scholarship to any college in the country (a scholarship and roster spot that would have gone to an XX female). This will happen, and the court will be forced to choose between Title IX and Transgender Acceptance laws. If the latter wins and precedent is established Title IX and women only teams/leagues as we know them will rapidly disintegrate.
You haven't been paying attention. Based on Eastwood s results, your 9:55 male would run closer to 11:00 after transgendering. If she just declares and competes without hormone treatments, she will not receive a scholarship.
judgmentalness wrote:
judgmentalness wrote:
You have actually thrown yourself under the bus again. Do you see how?
I’ll help you. The article you posted refers to it as a disorder
The APA stated in regards to the name change, “persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas.”
I’m fine with this. What is your point?
I tend to agree with the BTC post. If my research is correct in 2017 Craig Telfer competed collegiately as a male and had a 400M Hurdle PR of 57.31, in 2019 after transitioning to CeCe Telfer, she won the NCAA women’s DII national Championship in the 400 Hurdles in 57.54 (I realize the hurdle height is shorter in the women’s event but still shows minimal difference. His/Her PR’s in the open 200 actually improved from 24.6 to 24.3 after transitioning.
The NCAA policy states the following
“While the policy does not list specific levels for testosterone suppression, it does state that part of the student’s responsibility is to provide a letter from his or her physician documenting intent to transition or transition status, as well as identifying ‘the prescribed hormonal treatment for the student’s gender transition and documentation of the student’s testosterone levels, if relevant.’ “
From a legal standpoint this is extremely vague. The verbiage ‘does not list specific levels’ and asking for a letter from physician documenting ‘Intent’ to transition. This is extremely open ended. There in no way to legally force hormonal chemicals into a person who claims to be one gender or the other. This whole topic is a legal nightmare if and when it gets challenged at the highest level. I agree that the definition of “Gender” in Title IX is going to be challenged and the rules are just too open to opinion.