Parents and girls sue to block participation of transgender athletes

the path of least resistance wrote:

Cancel the state meet. No more medals, trophies, or championships. All meets are all comers. Post the results in alphabetical order. Everyone participates for the love of the sport and the chance to declare themselves the fastest runner in a red uniform wearing black socks and yellow spikes whose name starts with K, or whatever.

This is certainly an option.

In my previous post I wanted to add something like this, but was to lazy to typo it out. Thank you for doing it for me.

You are the one being racist. You brought race into this conversation and directly connected the race of the girls to their stance. Doesn’t matter if the person is white or black, making assumptions because of the color of ANYONE’S skin is racist.

Dromano19 wrote:

You are the one being racist. You brought race into this conversation and directly connected the race of the girls to their stance. Doesn’t matter if the person is white or black, making assumptions because of the color of ANYONE’S skin is racist.

Hey don’t shoot the messenger. I live here and am just giving the facts. It’s not coincidence that both of the TG girls are of color. It’s no coincidence that since this issue was raised by that dopey lead plaintiff, Racist slurs have been hurled at both kids. It’s no secret the towns these privileged white girl run in are racist. They just don’t like losing to people of color and are using this the keep them out.

Their lawyers are well known a promoting white rights and religious bull$g*T. The fact is the whining plaintiff aren’t missing out. They just tun slow.

Also the girls chose a “legal” team that is identified as s hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Gee. Whiy did they pick them

Much of the allegations in the suit are baseless and lies.

Do you know what a coincidence is? Are you saying these guys posing as girls are actually whites posing as blacks? Did they paint their skin? Otherwise it is just a coincidence that they are black. And this message board knows nothing about the things that you are discussing. We are commenting on the male/female unfairness in general. We would have said the same thing about Bruce Jenner had he done this and dominated black female sprinters.

I would say that dragging race into the equation here is a manipulative tactic. It doesn’t have to do with race.

Conundrum wrote:

Here is the issue. If it can be medically established that transgenders have no physical advantage over biological females then they should be allowed to participate. But despite having medical hormone markers, I am not sure that we can definitely state this. So for now I would say no to participation..

I was taking to a female friend about this . Asking her at what level would it be equal and fair. She said. “Never. how are you going to replicate them having at least one day a month where they feel like shit due to them having their period? “

And the rules would have to vary so much by sport. How are you going to take away the height for 6ft 5 woman in basketball?

This is so hard wrote:

But then I think about the trans girls. They aren't just winning state titles. They are a part of a community at their school, building memories with teammates that will always be fondest when they look back on high school. Taking that away from these kids seems unfair, and callous.

I enjoyed your post .

But If it’s just about being on the team, why can’t they have those memories on the boys team? Maybe rename it the xy team. No one is taking it away from them. They are fee to compete on the xy team.

It is so obvious, I am surprised it has become an argument?

Male and Female are ASCRIBED STATUSES that can NOT be changed.

A man can NOT really be a Woman just because he says he identifies as one.

I wish I could not get a Ticket, just by saying I identify as having Diplomatic Immunity.

You can train a Parrot to say I Identify as a Human, but that does not mean you can enter it in Track Meets in the High Jump and Long Jump so the parrot could smash Sotomoyer's High Jump and Powell's Long Jump Record which the Parrot could do with ZERO Training.

Many times when I get caught in stop and go traffic on the freeway, I wish I could Identify as a bird and just fly over the traffic.

ALL of this is silly, but it is insane that many think you can really be whatever you want, just by saying you identify as whatever, even some College Professors believe and teach this nonsense, the fact they can keep their job teaching and/or believing this nonsense, is a great reason to get rid of tenure, Coaches of College Sports teams don't have tenure and neither should professors/teachers, when they have clearly gone nuts, the schools should be able to get rid of them.

rojo wrote:

This is so hard wrote:

But then I think about the trans girls. They aren't just winning state titles. They are a part of a community at their school, building memories with teammates that will always be fondest when they look back on high school. Taking that away from these kids seems unfair, and callous.

I enjoyed your post .

But If it’s just about being on the team, why can’t they have those memories on the boys team? Maybe rename it the xy team. No one is taking it away from them. They are fee to compete on the xy team.

Rojo would advocate separate but equal. Rojo in the 60s - blacks have their own bathroom what is the big deal.

Hate that it had to be a family of a girl who participated. No doubt the media will hammer her and her family. When it should be the governing body not allowing this sh!t. It's disgraceful and honestly is a joke. Imagine someone telling you this twenty years ago. Ridiculous

Oh no doubt. This post ^^^^ yesss. The stuff some teachers are teaching now days is a joke and i wouldn't even say I went to a very liberal school in the first place...even tho we know they're all liberal lol

douglas burke wrote:

You can train a Parrot to say I Identify as a Human,

A parrot? We should not allow these girls to run because someone might try to enter a parrot in a track meet?

Were you one of those people who was picketing Air Bud when it came out?

hgjvkvbbb wrote:

The problem is that there is a large racial component here. No one talks about. The plaintiffs are ehite girls from rich white towns in CT. The same town thay heckled black players in other sports.

Their ringleader has had some race issues in the past. She also is just a slow girl who wouldn’t win anything.

Not sure who the ringleader you're referring to is, but here's an interesting update. Chelsea Miller, one of the plaintiffs, beat of the trans girls in a meet today, and the other trans girl I believe earned a DQ and a second place in a relay.

Coach85 wrote:

I agree that the right to marry or sleep with who you want is a fundamental right.

Choosing to run in female races just because you identify as a woman is not a fundamnetal right. Transgenders can identify with whatever sex they choose but only be allowed to compete in the sex of the anatomy they were born with. That should be the end of the story.

If a guy starts taking estrogen at 16 or 17. He still has the benefits of the years of testerone. Plus being physically stronger, lower fat, higher bone density, etc. This argument is asinine.

As a male athlete if I were allowed to compete with female athletes in high school the records would be unbreakable. I ran 1:54 in the 800 and 48.7 in the 400. No hs female should be objected to that.

There might be some benefit. So far the evidence is that it is pretty tiny in most sports. You ran 1:54. How fast do you think you will be after 12 months of estrogen when you gained 10lbs of fat and don't have the benefits of test to recover from training? Probably be lucky to break 2:10. I.E. about inline with your male performance plus or minus a couple seconds. At the olympic level, that matters. HS track? Who cares.

Of course we have no clue what level of transitioning these girls has done. There is a vast gap between saying you can just pick a gender on the entry form and if you have undergone say 9 months of hormone therapy. My impression is that at least initialy when these CT sprinters showed up, there was no hormone therapy involved.

Something I’d like to bring up is how long it takes to go through puberty. It’s definitely more than 1 year! Something in the range of about 2.5 - 7 years? 2.5 being on the extremely rapid side.

My point is that undergoing hormone conversion therapy won’t make a man equivalent to the female version of himself. The transition is like going through puberty and absolutely takes longer than a year, which studies have clearly shown. The studies I saw made it sounds like changes can be observed to still be taking place 5 years after starting hormone therapy, although by then it’s basically leveled out.

In my opinion I think MTF transgenders can fairly compete with women after 7 years of hormone therapy, which I understand could potentially be seen as an unacceptable solution to transgenders and those who vehemently oppose them competing alongside women.

Men are women so women are men wrote:

We need to end segregation. Men and women, boys and girls,there should be no segregation.

You equate gender to segregation of blacks and whites?

You are a really ignorant person. Maybe an Idiot, but definitely ignorant.

rojo wrote:

This is so hard wrote:

But then I think about the trans girls. They aren't just winning state titles. They are a part of a community at their school, building memories with teammates that will always be fondest when they look back on high school. Taking that away from these kids seems unfair, and callous.

I enjoyed your post .

But If it’s just about being on the team, why can’t they have those memories on the boys team? Maybe rename it the xy team. No one is taking it away from them. They are fee to compete on the xy team.

From what I have seen, the trans community has made it clear that this sort of thing is damaging to them. Trans girls being forced to remain in boys spaces is not how they want to be treated. Trans women who are actresses are nominated in female categories, and that's why he bathroom fight came up in the first place.

And yes, I know i know...facts don't care about our feelings. And I do agree that sport is different, and I can't deny an unfair advantage. But another fact is that trans people have always existed. I think it's important to acknowledge that, instead of forcing trans girls into boys categories, and turning a blind eye to the message this is sending to them.

As for XX and XY....I'm not sure, maybe this will be the future of sports? I guess it's not for me to determine. I just hope that we can keep the sport fair while also not damaging kids in the process, and I honestly have no solution to what that would look like.

I want to also add one more thing about the lawsuit.

I've been really grossed out by the adult attorneys on both sides of this case. I wish they would remember that at the center are five kids, who will forever have their names attached to this, and whether they agree or disagree, those kids deserve to be treated with respect.

On one end you have the attorneys for the three cis-girls referring to the trans girls as boys. Really? That's a low blow. Can't you argue that trans girls have an unfair advantage without misgendering them completely? Thats totally unnecessary.

On the other end you have an ACLU attorney who is mocking the cis-girls calling them "Abigail Fisher" and implying that they are racist. It's unprofessional to mock kids online like this. Just ridiculous.

But I guess when you feel you have the moral high ground, you also feel that you can attack anyone, even kids and get away with it.