fred wrote:
Keep trying wrote:
You don't seem like the sharpest knife..
You sound like a plastic knife used to scratch a hemmy-roid.
Sorry about your brain damage
fred wrote:
Keep trying wrote:
You don't seem like the sharpest knife..
You sound like a plastic knife used to scratch a hemmy-roid.
Sorry about your brain damage
TeamIngebrigtsenStalker wrote:
You have to remember that Jakob’s situation is literally unlike any runner in the world. Name one athlete that, since the age of 13, has been training like a professional, altitude training and all, with two 3:31 guys as training partners. The dads obviously been able to trial and error with the first two and get to a refined method with the last one. What I think, however, is that he’s not going to get much faster, because his training age is so old. He’s 18 on paper, but by the time he’s 23 he’ll have been doing this for 10 years. I’m not sure if there’s much of an upside on him, might peak in Tokyo and that’s that.
Makes a lot of sense.
If you are American then I can confirm that everything about US sports is about delaying young talent.
They won't let them go pro in basketball or football until they've jumped through artificially determined hoops.
In Australia you can play in any pro league if you are good enough. There have been players as young as 14 years old (big lads) who have played at the highest level of Australian Rules Football. There has been MVPs who were only 16.
Not so in this country where everything is controlled.
So I would be careful making such statements, especially on a board where 90% of the posters have no real talent, or achievements, and can hardly imagine anyone doing it easy, while they slog through work outs that children can do overseas.
Subway Surfers wrote:
If he is doping, when did he start? What drugs is he taking?
remember this is letsrun. in addition to drugs you are required to list where to get them and who to contact.
Very good point. Jakob probably wouldn't run these times in a traditional high school/college program. He's where he's at because he's been training with his two brothers, and no one else, for years. They have been the Guinea pigs paving the way for Jakob. Also, he's naturally more talented than them. Look at his lab tests from a very young age.
Where are these accusations when Jakob fails miserably at World XC, but still needs an hour or so in the medical tent under supervision because he's extremely exhausted? You know how we always seem to accuse finishers who look unscathed to be doping? Yeah.
I will say, there's something shady going on in Norwegian winter sports and has been for years. But that's where the money is in Norway. There's no money in running there. Sondre Moen ran 2:05 and there are running brand "ambassadors" out here making more cash and being more famous.
Jakob has been training the house down for years, combined with extraordinary talent.
Ask any professional athlete, any of his competitors in the DL circuit if you think he's doping. I know what they'll answer.
Why are there so few threads here discussing whether American athletes are doping?
Alan Webb had biceps the size of bowling balls, xompeted at the height of the EPO era, smashed Jim Ryun's records at 18 ( and Ryun himself competed when most American school kids were roiding), then burnt out by 21 and yet there's already more dopjng threads on Jakob than Webb.
Your top coach just got banned and for every thread asking whether Rupp is dirty there have been twenty asking the same about Mo Farah.
Donovan Brazier wins gold in a record time the same day Al Sal gets banned and it's a great day for the U S of A.
Meanwhile Jakob comes fourth and fifth behind likely dopers and Americans agree he must be dirty.
Partridge wrote:
We can argue if it is possible to run 3:30 / 13:00 clean.
no clean sub 13.
sub 3:30, always dirty.
girl sub 4, doping w***e.
ignorant americans, as always wrote:
Ask any professional athlete, any of his competitors in the DL circuit if you think he's doping. I know what they'll answer.
Once you realize that (likely more than) 44% of all world championship athletes are doping, you know the answer too.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
no not really wrote:
Not since age 12, since age 8. He was training like a full-time professional runner by age 12.
The early start doesn't make any difference. He's extremely talented, but some people will not believe 3:30 is possible for an 18-year old.
330 is not possible for anybody at any age without drugs.
MohammedAA wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
The early start doesn't make any difference. He's extremely talented, but some people will not believe 3:30 is possible for an 18-year old.
330 is not possible for anybody at any age without drugs.
I don't follow - why 3:30 without drugs? Jim Ryun ran *3:33* way back in the dark ages of 1967 when tracks & footwear were nothing like they are now.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rt.com/sport/418239-norwegian-olympic-skiing-asthma-diagnosed/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjG1e-sxPvlAhWEMH0KHUq0DjcQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw2Gfjd76ie51V-hoaYkk2Vp&cf=1reason #1 wrote:
Macdaddy wrote:
Yeah...
Nothing says clean like running 6 seconds faster than the best American high schooler ever.
Hundreds of millions Americans versus millions of Norwegians.
Statistically unlikely, but that’s just me.
You can also look at it this way: millions of Norwegians leading a healthy lifestyle/eating healthy,nutritious foods/drinking good water vs the 10-15 thousand Americans doing the same.
....You can also look at it as Norway has a lot of asthma problems apparently
Just a reminder that Kipchoge won Gold in the 5k when he was 18 in 2003... against El G and Bekele.
Not saying he's clean but as long as he's been running he can't be doping outrageously.
Either one of them could be clean in my personal opinion. They're just two in 100 million athletes. Plus Jakob has been cultivated around brothers that are world class which is way different then Webb growing up in a Virginia high school league...
Kipchoge VS Ing wrote:
Just a reminder that Kipchoge won Gold in the 5k when he was 18 in 2003... against El G and Bekele.
I certainly hope Kipchoge was/is clean, but he definately wasn't 18 in 2003. Closer to 25.
That's why Jakob is so special. He is the best U20 runner ever. The africans are age-cheats.
NoHumanIsLimited wrote:
Kipchoge VS Ing wrote:
Just a reminder that Kipchoge won Gold in the 5k when he was 18 in 2003... against El G and Bekele.
I certainly hope Kipchoge was/is clean, but he definately wasn't 18 in 2003. Closer to 25.
That's why Jakob is so special. He is the best U20 runner ever. The africans are age-cheats.
Lol so Eliud is 42 now. Hilarious.
whoppeer wrote:
Lol so Eliud is 42 now. Hilarious.
Closer to 42 than 34 thats for sure. Running world class times in the marathon is clearly possible at an older age than traditional thought would let us believe.
KenyaMan wrote:
whoppeer wrote:
Lol so Eliud is 42 now. Hilarious.
Closer to 42 than 34 thats for sure. Running world class times in the marathon is clearly possible at an older age than traditional thought would let us believe.
Yeah. Lots of 42 year olds run world records.
Track Fan 1979 wrote:
There's a HUGE difference between 3:36 and 3:30.
There's a huge difference between 3:30 and 3:30 sometimes too.
crumpetsausage wrote:
If you are American then I can confirm that everything about US sports is about delaying young talent.
They won't let them go pro in basketball or football until they've jumped through artificially determined hoops.
In Australia you can play in any pro league if you are good enough. There have been players as young as 14 years old (big lads) who have played at the highest level of Australian Rules Football. There has been MVPs who were only 16.
Not so in this country where everything is controlled.
So I would be careful making such statements, especially on a board where 90% of the posters have no real talent, or achievements, and can hardly imagine anyone doing it easy, while they slog through work outs that children can do overseas.
The US pro leagues are at a higher level than yours.
NoHumanIsLimited wrote:
Kipchoge VS Ing wrote:
Just a reminder that Kipchoge won Gold in the 5k when he was 18 in 2003... against El G and Bekele.
I certainly hope Kipchoge was/is clean, but he definately wasn't 18 in 2003. Closer to 25.
That's why Jakob is so special. He is the best U20 runner ever. The africans are age-cheats.
How can he age so well when nobody else can?
Many of the past Kenyans were dead before 40 or thereabouts. Certainly they weren't running their best ever after 20 years of competing.
fountain of sooth wrote:
How can he age so well when nobody else can?
Many of the past Kenyans were dead before 40 or thereabouts. Certainly they weren't running their best ever after 20 years of competing.
Becoming a successful runner in Kenya is like winning the lottery: you get money, no more poverty, everybody you used to know, your village community, comes asking for help.
Suddenly you have all the money in the world to buy all the alcohol, drugs and pleasures you can think of. Remaining focused on running and training can be hard. You also have the money to live a pretty well off life by Kenyan standards. Not many runners are able to avoid all these pitfalls.