Yes there are. Donuts are bad. Cake is bad. Vegetables are good. Fruits are good. The things that you are eluding to are nuts, meat, avocados, chocolate, and alcohol. Those things are all good for you in moderation but they become unhealthy in higher quantities.
With all due respect. If you're looking for intelligent, mature, conversation, this would be the last place to look. If you have beef with the coach, you should have the conversation with the coach and keep it there. If you're trolling, as some have suggested, then just don't.
XCMomma wrote:
Snow plow parent? My lazy a** kid? She works her tail off, 12 months out of the year. I was mostly concerned with the other team members, who already have body image issues, because they compare themselves to the top runners, who look anorexic.
I don't know what a snowplow parent is but I can tell you that I am one of the only parents who does not yell at their child, before or after a race. Never. I've witnessed some terrible things being said to (and yelled at) athletes by their parents. I always tell her to just go out and do her personal best.
I have considered suicide as of late. I suppose I have been more sensitive. Your insults will stay with me. I never expected to be genuinely hurt by the responses of heartless people like you.
XCMomma wrote:
After my daughter's most recent XC Meet, her coach sent out a mass text to all runners and their parents (he was very upset with our team's performance). His text read, "Times 30 seconds slower, moreso for those less-fit". I was livid.
My first instinct was to send him articles from Runner's World and Scholarly Journals, regarding CrossCountry being the number one high school sport with girls with eating disorders. (This is a coach who routinely allows team dinners to include greasy pizzas, and other extremely unhealthy things, the night before the students race).
I have read in numerous articles on the proper fuel and nutrition for cross country girls racing in high school. I have tried, desperately, to impart to my daughter. However, she comments that she will eat what the coach says she can. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there has never been any at length, in-depth discussion regarding such things as the difference between whole-grain pasta and white pasta, etc. Some parents even bring sugary snacks, as things for the runners to eat, immediately following a 5K, i.e Rice Krispie treats!
My daughter went through puberty late and is just under 5 ft tall. I felt his comment was targeted toward those girls on the team who have thighs and do not look underweight.
Important to note here, I thinkoh, that my daughter Twisted her ankle in the first K of the race but still finished, hobbling all the way. I have shared with my daughter multiple articles from women's Runner's World and she still refuses because it isn't anything the coach has instilled in them. I'm just a mom oh, so what do I know?
I ended up replying to his text with, "Less-fit? Insensitive, to say the least".
He responded by sending out an article on how to be better cross-country parents.
Am I overreacting? I would greatly appreciate your thoughts, comments, and how you would have replied to the coach. Thank you, in advance!
In fear of giving me a migraine, I opted out of reading the entire thread, god only knows what I'd read..
As a parent, and former coach myself..some hard truths..
Overreacting parents, coming from personal experience with my own family back in my time as a HS athlete, it's a lot for the kid. Our perspective is so limited at 14-18, and our identity is tied to our HS sports, whether that's a healthy balance or not. I think back to HS sports, while fun they were VERY stressful, and I'd say 60-70% of that stress stemmed from my household. Overreacting, over involved parents from a coaching perspective are a nightmare, ultimately puts the young athlete in an awkward predicament too.
I do believe coaches need to watch how they interact with athletes and parents as it's a whole new world than even a decade ago. Less fit though just means that, less fit, their fitness wasn't up to par with the expected effort. Is it diet? is it poor sleep and high stress from school, parents, peers, relationships? It's never just one thing, surely not a rice krispie treat either.
"Fit" is one of the most common phrases used in the sport of running whether we're talking about sprints or 100 milers, every runner gauges their relative fitness leading into a season, big race. I learned especially as a college athlete that no college coach gives a sh** what Mom or Dad thinks, or expects, not that mine interfered at all, but just that it's
a drastic difference for some athletes from HS to College. Emotionally they're being conditioned for the next phase in life, I keep that in my mind with my own child. It's all a progression, it's tough to watch them hurt, but it's an unfortunate part of life when a race or event doesn't go as planned. Lashing out in justice mode hardly ever amounts to anything worthwhile though.
Accountability goes hand in hand with parents and coaches, especially at the HS level.
XCMomma wrote:
Wow, I never expected to be bashed and insulted. My daughter trains extremely hard, throughout the summer and the winter. I just expressed to you that instead of leaving the race, with her ankle in such bad shape, she continued on so that she could finish. She loves running. I have only ever tried to impart to her what's important to put into her body for fuel. I am not anything like the other moms on the team who are constantly comparing their daughters to others. I am so sorry that asking for your opinion led to such negativity.
And, rice krispie treats? The top state contenders, on both the boys and girls team, refused them because they know they're garbage for their bodies, in the recovery stage after a race.
You are obviously not a distance runner.
You have to be a troll, otherwise you are crazy.
If you are a real person and are actually worried about eating disorders, maybe let your kid be a kid and she can worry about eating healthier later in her career. You're making her think about what she eats constantly, THAT is how eating disorders develop. You are slowly killing your child, get a grip.
She is a modern day parent. A coach can't say anything to her child but she can do very dumb things to her.
"More fit" isn't the buzz word for girls being too fat. "Nutrition" is the word you are looking for that coaches use for that.
Doughnuts and cake are not bad, and vegetables are not good. These gross dichotomizations are precursive sub-clinical eating disorder self-talk. Eat in moderation all food groups and enjoy your meals. You should not have anxiety over your diet in picking and choosing good versus bad foods as long as you exercise. This whole thread is cringy.
Aren't you the one who is doing the most damage? You just called healthy, fit teenage girls "anorexic." You're a horrible parent.
XCMomma wrote:
You obviously don't comprehend what you read. ...blah , blah, blah.....
If you are not a distance runner, or a coach of distance runners, you should not share your uneducated thoughts and words.
So why are you talking, starting posts etc?
BTW, Hello? The coach has how many kids? It's your job to teach your kid when to tell the coach they have worriesome aches and pains. It's your job to teach your kid to respectfully tell the coach she should, skip a race of this little importance . If you know what you are talking about a good coach will support you. You don't have a problem until then.
Same with the diet or body sensibilities and sensitivities. Your job. The coach is working for all those kids , not you not to a higher degree yours.
Do your job, or at least take responsibility for it, then if the coach is bad you are in a place to be useful to your teenager.
Boo F-ing Hoo! Train year round with more effort then your daughter will not in the 'less fit' category. As a coach of over fifteen years and former elite level competitor, the decline in commitment, consistency and work ethic has been replaced with the wussification of the kid and parent.
Gotta push this up to 9/10 at this point. Starting with mentioning RW articles, a "controversial" text from the coach, then lots of initial replies from the OP to keep things going, and now 6 pages of responses. Master class here, excellent work.
Seriouslytho wrote:
Seriously, you expected a legitamite discussion on a letsrun thread? You are clearly new here.
Second, I'm friends with the guy who got 3rd at NCAA nationals in 2017 and I know for a fact he ate more pop tarts and white pasta than most obese people, so clearly what you eat isn't a huge impact on running, unless you aren't eating enough.
You knew someone, who knew someone who knew someone. Wow!
Pop tarts and pasta are carbohydrates, completely different from eating heavy fat cheese pizza and the other cr/p food the OP said. Pasta used to be a common meal to eat before marathons. As a retired serious runner, if I ever ate pizza, it was with organic ingredients, and with NO cheese on it. Cheese will seriously clog you up and cause you to run slow.
XCMomma wrote:
After my daughter's most recent XC Meet, her coach sent out a mass text to all runners and their parents (he was very upset with our team's performance). His text read, "Times 30 seconds slower, moreso for those less-fit". I was livid.
My first instinct was to send him articles from Runner's World and Scholarly Journals, regarding CrossCountry being the number one high school sport with girls with eating disorders. (This is a coach who routinely allows team dinners to include greasy pizzas, and other extremely unhealthy things, the night before the students race).
I have read in numerous articles on the proper fuel and nutrition for cross country girls racing in high school. I have tried, desperately, to impart to my daughter. However, she comments that she will eat what the coach says she can. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there has never been any at length, in-depth discussion regarding such things as the difference between whole-grain pasta and white pasta, etc. Some parents even bring sugary snacks, as things for the runners to eat, immediately following a 5K, i.e Rice Krispie treats!
My daughter went through puberty late and is just under 5 ft tall. I felt his comment was targeted toward those girls on the team who have thighs and do not look underweight.
Important to note here, I thinkoh, that my daughter Twisted her ankle in the first K of the race but still finished, hobbling all the way. I have shared with my daughter multiple articles from women's Runner's World and she still refuses because it isn't anything the coach has instilled in them. I'm just a mom oh, so what do I know?
I ended up replying to his text with, "Less-fit? Insensitive, to say the least".
He responded by sending out an article on how to be better cross-country parents.
Am I overreacting? I would greatly appreciate your thoughts, comments, and how you would have replied to the coach. Thank you, in advance!
As a former coach,I have stated my disappointment on numerous occasions when the team and/or individuals did not preform as well 'as they should have'. On far more occasions, I have complimented the team and/or individuals for preforming well. I have also told athletes that their weight is affecting their performance and that they need to lose a couple of pounds. - I always felt this is what coaches do. Btw, rarely did I tell a kid something they did not on some level already know. Don't forget, kids want to succeed and if they trust the coach, they will accepts what he says as simply trying to make them and the team better.
Viking21 said wrote:
People like me who see only what we want and expect to see are truly the handicapped in our midst, although it is simply an affliction of our own indignant manufacture.
Coach of coaches wrote:
He should have just told some of them that they were slow. Mom wouldn't have liked that any better. But it has to be either genetics (slow) or unfit (training).
Right. The coach is slow, and is totally unfit to be coaching.
Telling High School kids to lose weight is how coaches lose their jobs.
This thread is a sad testimony of how many seriously bad high school coaches there are on this website.
Bills Self wrote:
Gotta push this up to 9/10 at this point. Starting with mentioning RW articles, a "controversial" text from the coach, then lots of initial replies from the OP to keep things going, and now 6 pages of responses. Master class here, excellent work.
+1