Galen Rupp 12:58.9 Jakob Ingebrigsten 13:02.03 (Alberto Inferior to Gjert Ingebrigsten as Coach)

NOPe wrote:

I find it interesting that this 3:50 miler, who most of you say must have been like a 3:48 miler, since you say indoors is always faster, could not hang and kick in a 5000m race. Galen was at his limit running 12:58-13:00 pace. That is why this legendary 3:48 miler could not kick.

Daniel Komen was a 3:46 miler and didn't have a strong kick.

doesn't make sense wrote:

NOPe wrote:

I find it interesting that this 3:50 miler, who most of you say must have been like a 3:48 miler, since you say indoors is always faster, could not hang and kick in a 5000m race. Galen was at his limit running 12:58-13:00 pace. That is why this legendary 3:48 miler could not kick.

Daniel Komen was a 3:46 miler and didn't have a strong kick.

But he could run 12:39 for 5000.

BergLaufer wrote:

doesn't make sense wrote:

Daniel Komen was a 3:46 miler and didn't have a strong kick.

But he could run 12:39 for 5000.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing...

BergLaufer wrote:

doesn't make sense wrote:

Daniel Komen was a 3:46 miler and didn't have a strong kick.

But he could run 12:39 for 5000.

Correct. Great point. Galen's limitations as a kicker did not preclude a 12:50. Galen just was not able to run 12:50.

mooonshot wrote:

Have you even ever personally raced indoors vs outdoors? Dense much?

I am trying to be kind here. I wrote that indoors is slower according to most of you. I offered no opinion on the issue because it is extremely complicated due to many variables. Many of you contending that indoors is slower then mention Galen running 3:50 indoors, so maybe you think 3:48 outdoors...OK, but Galen could not hang at 12:50 pace, or lead at that pace. It was too much for Galen.

doesn't make sense wrote:

BergLaufer wrote:

But he could run 12:39 for 5000.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing...

It has EVERYTHING to do with what we are discussing.

NOPe wrote:

doesn't make sense wrote:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing...

It has EVERYTHING to do with what we are discussing.

Explain.

Many posters contend that Galen could not run a fast 5000m because he could not kick. Daniel Komen, according to you, could not kick, and yet he ran 12:39. The reason Daniel could do it and Galen could not had NOTHING to do with a kick.

Daniel Komen and Galen Rupp indoor vs outdoor 3000/5000 times:

Komen:

indoor:

3000 Metres 7:24.90

5000 Metres 12:51.48

outdoor:

3000 Metres 7:20.67

5000 Metres 12:39.74

Rupp:

indoor:

3000 Metres 7:30.16

5000 Metres 13:01.26

outdoor:

3000 Metres 7:43.24

5000 Metres 12:58.90

Me personally think indoor is only slower due to training.

Anyways, let's look at how much they each slowed down:

Komen 3k time is 2:27 per kilometer, his 5k is 2:30 per kilometer.

Rupp 3k time is 2:34 per kilometer, his 5k is 2:35 per kilometer.

Komen slowed down 2% from 3k to 5k.

Rupp slowed down 1%

*above is based on out door times.

NOPe wrote:

Many posters contend that Galen could not run a fast 5000m because he could not kick. Daniel Komen, according to you, could not kick, and yet he ran 12:39. The reason Daniel could do it and Galen could not had NOTHING to do with a kick.

How are you this stupid? What those posters are pointing out is that, in many races, the early pace was too slow for Rupp to PR because his kick was never very good. He was incapable of coming through 4600 in 11:0x and then closing in low 50s. Komen would not have run 12:39 in Brussels if he came through 4600 in something like 11:45. His final lap that day was 59.44.

doesn't make sense wrote:

NOPe wrote:

Many posters contend that Galen could not run a fast 5000m because he could not kick. Daniel Komen, according to you, could not kick, and yet he ran 12:39. The reason Daniel could do it and Galen could not had NOTHING to do with a kick.

How are you this stupid? What those posters are pointing out is that, in many races, the early pace was too slow for Rupp to PR because his kick was never very good. He was incapable of coming through 4600 in 11:0x and then closing in low 50s. Komen would not have run 12:39 in Brussels if he came through 4600 in something like 11:45. His final lap that day was 59.44.

That should be 12:0x, obviously.

NOPe wrote:

Some of you probably believe Zersenay Tadese is a 2:04 marathoner. You will go on and discussing why he is a 2:04 marathoner. EXCEPT he is NOT, just as Galen is NOT a 12:50 5000m runner.

Youre right hes not a 12:50 5000m runner. But at least his 12:58 is better than 13:02.

Ingebrigtsen is NOT a 12:58 5000m runner.

Ingebrigtsen is NOT a 26:44 10000m runner.

Ingebrigtsen is NOT a 2:06:07 marathoner.

Ingebrigtsen is NOT an Olympic Silver Medallist, meaning running fast when it matters, like a baller.

Cant argue with those facts. Youre actually arguing the tadese point, that because tadese could hang 90% of the race with bekele, maybe he could beat him. Nope. Because Ingebrigtsen can hang with the best doesnt mean he can beat the best.

Also, youre mad that a middle class kid from the pacific northwest has a better overall running performance history than some smug pretentious european

doesn't make sense wrote:

NOPe wrote:

Many posters contend that Galen could not run a fast 5000m because he could not kick. Daniel Komen, according to you, could not kick, and yet he ran 12:39. The reason Daniel could do it and Galen could not had NOTHING to do with a kick.

How are you this stupid? What those posters are pointing out is that, in many races, the early pace was too slow for Rupp to PR because his kick was never very good. He was incapable of coming through 4600 in 11:0x and then closing in low 50s. Komen would not have run 12:39 in Brussels if he came through 4600 in something like 11:45. His final lap that day was 59.44.

You do NOT understand the sport. What you fail to understand is that Daniel Komen was able to come through 4600 in 11:40 and still finish in 59 for his 12:39. Galen could NOT run 11:40 in a 4600 meter race. Very few humans could. Galen’s problem was not his 400m speed. Galen could not run 13 flat pace and kick because he was too close to his limit. iF Galen was not so close to his limit, Galen could have taken the lead at 4000m and broken the field. Daniel Komen ran 12:45 in Zurich and broke Haile because he took the lead at 3000m and made Haile suffer. Galen could NOT make the field suffer in his 5000m races because he did NOT have the ability. Your argument is that Galen is mentally WEAK and so he could not run fast at 5000m. I give Galen more credit than that.

Mad??

You're high.

Let's take the very significant 33 second difference in their 5k times at 18 years old and sweep them aside for a moment.

Facts:

1500/mile?

JI = 3:30 & 3:51 @ 18 years old

GR was 3:45 & 4:01 @ 18

3k??

JI hit 8:00 @ 16

GR was 8:03 @ 18

3k steeple?

Jakob 8:26 @ 16, (first and only steeple run)

Rupp never.

800 JI hit 1:49 @ 16

Rupp, ??? No 800s for young Rupp

Championships?? (NOT COUNTING OWN COUNTRY)

JI by age 18:

Euro 1500 & Euro 5k, 2018

Euro indoor: 5k & 3k, 2019

Euro xc: 2016, 17, 18

Euro junior: 1500, 5k, 3k, 2017

Rupp:

@18: Pan American junior 5k.

Since: None. Silver don't count, Bullet-proof

.....Beyond U.S. soil Rupp is NOT a Champion at anything.

You know, like running fast when it matters, you know, like you say, a baller.

In summary, no comparison really.

Rupp WAS really good.

But JI is showing to be clearly superior at every event, even without adding his future 10ks, 1/2s & marathons to his resume.

Hey numb nuts, I already covered this information in my previous post. You don't need to repeat it back to me.

I never said he could.

You seem to have a solid grasp of the obvious.

Is Rhonex Kipruto's limit close to 13:07 because he couldn't kick with Gebrhiwet and Ingebrigtsen after hitting the bell in 12:09?

I guess Mo Farah was at his limit when he ran 12:53 since he didn't drop the field. There's no way he could have run under 12:50 in a fast race.

Have you even seen this race? Geb was right on Komen's heels at the bell and only lost because he had an uncharacteristically slow final lap. His feet had been badly blistered at the Olympics only 2 weeks prior.

Ritz ran faster than Rupp and never made the field suffer. Are you aware that people can get towed to fast times? Even the winners usually benefit from someone else taking on the pace. See DL Paris 5k 2012 and Brussels 5k 2018.

My argument is that Galen was capable of much faster than 12:58. You give him no credit and are dumb enough to believe that someone who ran 7:30i and 26:44 was incapable of running a 5k of the same quality.

Now I am getting your point. You have now said that the problem Galen had is he was not towed to this mythical 12:50. Except when Kejelcha tried to tow Galen to a 12:53, Galen ran 13:08. Even the most rudimentary concepts are lost on your vacuous mind. You keep bringing up Mo Farah. Farah was winning 12:55ish 5000m races. Galen would fall off the pace. You honestly are not smart enough to ascertain the difference?

I think it is unfair to evaluate Alberto´s training by comparing Galen to Jakob.

Galen is obviously a great runner but Jakob seems to be a once in a lifetime phenomenon who still only a big boy at 18 already surpass Galen on the middle distances and equals him on the 5.000m. ( It was obvious that Jakob could have run at least 5 seconds faster in the 5000m in London last saturday if the pacemakers have not been behind the time schedule).

As far as I know Galen has not been even close to breaking any WR.

Whereas Jakob holds multiple age group WR´s and will smash all senior WR´s from 1500m to 5000m if he continues to progress steadily for a few more years. It seems obvious that Jakob when it comes to natural talent it on a completely different level than Galen.

So Gjert cannot take the full credit for Jakob´s current performances but Gjert has been very clever to develope Jakob in a disciplined and long termed way which possibly will secure Jakob´s further improvement up into his (mid?) twenties. Gjert said already about 6-7 years ago that Jakob was a "jewel" showing a much higher potential than his older brothers.

Jakob is not going to ever break the 5000m world record. I am not sure where you get that idea. Jakob should be able to run 12:50 at some point.

You are correct though that Jakob is already a better 5000m runner than Galen ever was. That much is obvious.