Holy Moly!! A legit 18 year old just ran 13:02!! J. Ingebrigtsen 53 last 400m.

Coevett wrote:

Paul Bunyan wrote:

if we assume that Jakob's time is also clean (after all, is Jakob the most talented, best trained athlete in history? Almost certainly not, and so it's conceivable that older, more talented runners could run faster without drugs).

Why is it 'almost certainly' not the case that Jakob is the most talented, best trained athlete in history? Because he's white? Because he's Norwegian?

If he ends up winning multiple Olympic and WC golds and breaks El G and Bekele's records, as he is on course to, will it still be the case that he can't possibly be the greatest runner in history...because he's white?

Oh and what we're talking about is the best combination of talent and training.

How many thread on the first page are currently speculating whether the Ingebrigtsens can be clean despite white people being genetically inferior to black people? Especially East Africans, who are on a different branch of Homo Sapiens altogether it appears for some people here.

It's amazing that guys like Mottram, Alan Webb, Nick Willis, and indeed the Ingebrigtsens managed to achieve what they have. Not because they were white and 'genetically inferior', but because they were told from birth by the rest of the world they were genetically inferior and could never make it to the top, when in fact most of the African superstars and their later African competitors were and are simply doped to the gills.

Mods - wake up. This is 2019. Stormfront has gone.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Coevett wrote:

If he ends up winning multiple Olympic and WC golds and breaks El G and Bekele's records, as he is on course to, will it still be the case that he can't possibly be the greatest runner in history...because he's white?

1) he's NOT "on course" to break El G and Bekele's records. You just stated he's been training a professional since the age of 8. Did Jim Ryun ever run better than he did at 19? Not really. One can easily peak at 20 if they've trained incredibly hard since the age of 8. How many other brilliant runners looked like they would keep on getting better and then.......they didn't. So we have no idea if his improvement curve will continue to rise or flatten quickly. No idea.

2) But more importantly, turn the question on YOU: If he does break El G and Bekele's WR's, what will you say then?? For so many years, you and those like you have stated unequivocally that these times are "science fiction", "not possible", that the WR's had improved waaaaay too much beyond what they used to be, all coinciding with the EPO era, and therefore had to be phony, cheater times. (Of course implied in this message was: these africans are running waaay faster than Coe, Ovett, Cram, Moorcroft, etc, therefore, the times must be fake, because there is just no way the E. Africans are that much better than the Euro runners. ) But then, if your pedo-crush Jakob runs these times, what then??? Suddenly these times ARE humanly possible to do clean, because the white guy did them? Will you then apologize to Bekele and Geb and others and say, well, I guess they could have been clean, or will you continue to defame them, call them cheaters, while hailing King Jakob? I think we all know the answer to THAT question.

I OTOH believe Bekele, Geb, and the best E. Africans were clean, while ALSO giving Jakob the benefit of the doubt and think he is likely clean too. But YOU believe the great E. Africans could only run low 12:40's or better with the aid of drugs, because those times are "science fiction/not humanly possible without drugs." But then a 18 y.o. white kid comes along and suggests ability to run those same beyond-imagination times and you say:' Yes, he's 100% clean! And soon he will run faster than ALLL The doped E. Africans, runners who were born altitude, whose ancestors have run for aeons in the mountains of their homelands, have trained incredibly hard, AND drugged themselves to human limits, but......still not enough to beat the pure, lily white Jakob!" Wha once was IMPOSSIBLE/UNFATHOMABLE/NOT REAL!, is suddenly believable and so very real....when the white guy does it, huh?

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Coevett wrote:Stormfront has gone.

Oh the absurd Irony. It actually is alive and well in Trump's america and in soon-to-be Boris' Britain. And it lives on in the brains of people like you, who whine and complain that whites have been discriminated against in T&F (and everywhere else of course: the new victims), been "held back" by being told they inferior, who have had to run clean while the evil blacks have been given a politically correct/affirmative action and politically protected chance to dope, all because IAAF and the rest of the world is full of "white guilt", naive self-haters, "cucks" and "lib-tards". Does that sound about right to you? I'm sure it does.

But yes, ironically play the race card for poor, discriminated against (by doubters/haters/racists) Jakob, and his white "brothers".

Subway Surfers wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I would say not "most talented, best trained" based on current performances.

1500m: I've got him #36 all time, 4 seconds slower than the best.

5000m: I've got him #115 of all time, nearly 23 seconds slower then the best.

If he ends up winning multiple Olympic and WC golds and breaks El G and Bekele's records, it will no longer be the case.

Firstly, only ABP times should be considered for sakes of science, like for like times. Take out Kiprop and the best is Silas Kiplagat 3:27, though was likely not subject to OOC blood testing, so 2.5s slower than the *best. Berega has the best 5,000m time 12:43 so 18/19s, but that London race was very slow through 4k and he was just 0.2 behind Gebrhiwet who is the 2nd fastest in the ABP era @ 12:45. He will likely be the fastest person born at sea level when he is finished.

Subway Surfers wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I would say not "most talented, best trained" based on current performances.

1500m: I've got him #36 all time, 4 seconds slower than the best.

5000m: I've got him #115 of all time, nearly 23 seconds slower then the best.

If he ends up winning multiple Olympic and WC golds and breaks El G and Bekele's records, it will no longer be the case.

Firstly, only ABP times should be considered for sakes of science, like for like times. Take out Kiprop and the best is Silas Kiplagat 3:27, though was likely not subject to OOC blood testing, so 2.5s slower than the *best. Berega has the best 5,000m time 12:43 so 18/19s, but that London race was very slow through 4k and he was just 0.2 behind Gebrhiwet who is the 2nd fastest in the ABP era @ 12:45. He will likely be the fastest person born at sea level when he is finished.

Middledist wrote:

slow pace could run easy under 13 with faster pace from start

1 ETH GEBRHIWET Hagos 13:01.86

2 NOR INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob 13:02.03 NRPB

3 KEN KIMELI Nicholas Kipkorir 13:05.48

4 AUS McSWEYN Stewart 13:05.63 SB

5 GBR BUTCHART Andrew 13:06.21 PB

6 KEN KIPRUTO Rhonex 13:07.40 SB

7 ITA CRIPPA Yemaneberhan 13:07.84 PB

8 AUS TIERNAN Patrick 13:12.68 PB

9 AUS McDONALD Morgan 13:18.91 SB

10 GBR CONNOR Ben 13:19.47 PB

11 KEN TANUI Paul Kipngetich 13:23.27

12 GBR YEE Alexander 13:29.18 PB

13 AUS ROBINSON Brett 13:39.37 SB

14 GBR SCOTT Marc 13:49.55 SB

15 GER PARSONS Sam 13:50.

16 AUS McENTEE Sam 13:55.0

17 GBR GOOLAB Nick 14:02.27 SB

Km splits

2:38.55

5:14.88

7:55.91KIPRUTO Rhonex

10:36.02 KIPRUTO Rhonex

Laps from the finish

1 1:04.32

2 1:04.00

3 1:02.90

4 1:02.66

5 1:03.76

6 1:04.14

7 1:03.87

8 1:04.08

9 1:04.39

10 1:02.96

11 1:01.02

12 53.49

Note:We added in the results and changed the title from, "J. Ingebrigtsen 53 last 400m 13,02"