Kip Keino and six other senior Kenyan officials charged with corruption

Ryun was recovering from sickness but Keino was actually sick and had been adviced not to race by Doctors.

Plus Keino was already tired, having run the 10,000m and the 5000m, including rounds.

Joplas wrote:

Ryun was recovering from sickness but Keino was actually sick and had been adviced not to race by Doctors.

Plus Keino was already tired, having run the 10,000m and the 5000m, including rounds.

And before the 1500m race, he ran to the stadium after having missed the bus.

Well, Kip Keino on that day was in fabulous shape and had a tremendous pacer in Ben Jipcho. Ryun was not at his peak, having had mono, which is seriously debilitating and I think also an injury that summer. At 7,000 ft plus, the altitude born and raised athlete had an enormous advantage as well, and Ryun played it poorly in allowing the field to get between him and Keino.

Had it been 1967 at sea level, no competition. On the same day in 1968 at sea level, it would have been a battle and maybe Keino would still have won. But I sure would have liked to see what Ryun could have run in 1967 at sea level with Jipcho and Keino for pacers.

You can't conclude from corruption charges in 2018 that the same person fifty years earlier was cheating.

As for the Dutch doctor, what the SI article indicates is that without him, there was such disorganization and lack of serious, coordinated training, that Keino and other Kenyan runners were far off their best form. The article makes no suggestion of doping.

Armstronglivs wrote:

zxcvzv wrote:

As for the Dutch doctor, what the SI article indicates is that without him, there was such disorganization and lack of serious, coordinated training, that Keino and other Kenyan runners were far off their best form. The article makes no suggestion of doping.

So if he was "far off his best form", "poorly-trained", and coming off his sick bed as well as running previous events, how do you explain that he was then able to utterly destroy the field in the 1500? Is altitude everything? Careful where that takes you.

He was better than your hero on the day

I'm glad the truth comes out about dopers evan if it is 50 years later.

Banana Bread wrote:

I'm glad the truth comes out about dopers evan if it is 50 years later.

Two more days ...

So should a man with a well documented history of unfaithfulness have his performances scrubbed as well? Because cheating on your wife shows a lack of compunction and proves Lord Coe was doped to the gills in 1980 and 1984. Your response is highly anticipated

Exactly, 2 more days until I hear crickets chirping and I get to say gobble gobble mf to you

El Keniano wrote:

So should a man with a well documented history of unfaithfulness have his performances scrubbed as well? Because cheating on your wife shows a lack of compunction and proves Lord Coe was doped to the gills in 1980 and 1984. Your response is highly anticipated

Plus, he got rich via CSM/British Olympics, and lobbied for Nike to his spiritual leader Diack, from VP to P, and then lied about it. Called Seppelt's discoveries an act of war, and Ashenden and Parisotto so-called scientists, instead of thanking them for presenting the sad truth. Fought against transparency. Etc. etc.

It's not exactly news that Coe does everything for his personal success. 1:41 in '81, ridiculo.

I used to wonder what kind of person would defend such a ... well let's say person on this polite forum.

However, now that I had to live through the double embarrassment of Clinton/Trump, with unbelievably millions of us defending one of those two, one can't really throw a stone anymore.

^ So no answer, then? Pretty much as I expected. Your argument is a former athlete facing corruption charges 2018 is proof of lack of integrity suggesting he was on some mysterious PEDs in 1968. Conversely, that a different former athlete happens to be a confirmed serial adulterer is bizarrely irrelevant to similar questions about his personal character or whether he could have been doped in the early '80s when he won two Olympic gold medals and run a jaw-dropping 1:41 ... in 1981!

And don't tell me the U.S. doesn't have a doping problem. Kenya will never catch up even with recent busts.

Armstronglivs wrote:

It can't be simply explained away.

It can but you are anti-Kenyan so why should I or anyone else try to present a theory as to why a Kenyan performed in a way you deem suspicious?

They're all guilty age cheats with receding hairlines and only a white boy can run 3:31 for 1500 m, right?