Not sure if this was addressed, but does anyone know what he means in his statement where he says he wants to "maintain the trust that he has worked so hard to build in the running community"? Any know what he's talking about regarding the hard work he has done building trust with the running community on this matter?
And the ultimate question is why/how would his name end up on any such document. It's a little like the job postings here - the rumors a lot of times end up being true.
I am sure those guys love sitting around painting NOP as some evil empire and now BTC may very well come under scrutiny that is deserved. What happens when a Dr Brown connection or TUES revealed?
Another thought wrote:
And the ultimate question is why/how would his name end up on any such document. It's a little like the job postings here - the rumors a lot of times end up being true.
I am sure those guys love sitting around painting NOP as some evil empire and now BTC may very well come under scrutiny that is deserved. What happens when a Dr Brown connection or TUES revealed?
He's an athlete who is tested so therefore he's on drug testing documentation.
Pretty simple.
Put it this way: looking at their past records and development opportunities in 2009, Chris Solinsky was much more likely to run 12:55/26:59 than Galen Rupp to go 12:58/26:44.
Marksch wrote:
Sir Lancelot wrote:Lance Armstrong was the most tested athlete ever and never failed a drug test while he was riding.
this is not correct. He did test positive for corticosteroids at the Tour (1999, IIRC) but produced the backdated TUE to explain it away.
Same drug as Wiggins was using via TUE.
Then that is not a failed test.
LiveStrong wrote:
Marksch wrote:this is not correct. He did test positive for corticosteroids at the Tour (1999, IIRC) but produced the backdated TUE to explain it away.
Same drug as Wiggins was using via TUE.
Then that is not a failed test.
Yes it is. It's a failed test that they aren't punished for.
Backdated TUEs are a joke.
left, right, right wrote:
moanswers wrote:Do you write down your appointments in your training log?
It's a training long not a google calendar. Also, it shouldn't be hard to find dates of testing from usada if he really wanted them so why would he bother writing this stuff down?
you gotta call him a liar based on something better than not writing down his dates of drug testing.
The point is that if any of you were drug tested you would certainly write that down in your running/training journal. And if it was as recently as 2016, you would not forget someone
showing up at your door and asking you to take a drug test. This would be a significant moment and worthy of memory. He acts fuzzy on this and allows it might have taken place? Very convenient of him to play both sides just in case they produce a drug test for that date. I still say bull crap. You don't forget stuff like that. And, yes, most people would write it down: he probably did.
I was drug tested twice in college. Didn't write down either of them.
wejo wrote:
Failed to answer the question wrote:"I have never taken any banned substance "
Did you ever use a banned method, like blood doping to trigger ABP?
It is interesting how we all wordsmith these things.
Jager did say, "I have never and will never break or try to bend an anti-doping rule." which I think encompasses all things. It leads no room for error. "What I'm doing is above board" is how I read it. No "gray area".
His whole statement sounds so much like Lance Armstrong.
I thought the opposite. He didn't use the Lance, "I've never failed a drug test." He didn't get angry.
I've very used to people getting angry when I ask them these type questions. Doesn't necessarily mean anything one way or the other but I thought his response was very different than Lance or Carmelita Jeter's or Regina Jacob's.
He said while the IAAF determine nothing happened he's disappointed he's lost people's trust.
Evan didn't blast people for putting him on the list. He said he was surprised to see himself on a list.
I feel like Lance would fixate one one or two technicalities that might not be true. Jager did go searching to see what happened with his drug test that day and then discover he didn't think he had one, but was open to the possibility he had one. Sort of like, "trying to figure this out."
Here's Lance: "If you're trying to hide something, you wouldn't keep getting away with it for 10 years. Nobody is that clever."
May 2011: "Twenty-plus-year career, 500 drug controls worldwide, in and out of competition. Never a failed test. I rest my case."
June 2012: "I have never doped … I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jan/18/lance-armstrong-doping-denials-quotesLook obviously this is going to get a lot of and should get a lot of scrutiny and we all have to be open the possibility athletes are doping especially if you're on that list.
The IAAF needs to get people to believe in its anti-doping system. Considering it's past, I can see why many people don't.
Having said that I also know the Russians (Fancy Bears) want you to believe the system is just stacked against them and not other stars when in reality they were the ones abusing the system for years.
- Coach Jerry Lawson's SILENCE on this matter is deafening!
Lickety Split wrote:
wejo wrote:It is interesting how we all wordsmith these things.
Jager did say, "I have never and will never break or try to bend an anti-doping rule." which I think encompasses all things. It leads no room for error. "What I'm doing is above board" is how I read it. No "gray area".
I thought the opposite. He didn't use the Lance, "I've never failed a drug test." He didn't get angry.
I've very used to people getting angry when I ask them these type questions. Doesn't necessarily mean anything one way or the other but I thought his response was very different than Lance or Carmelita Jeter's or Regina Jacob's.
He said while the IAAF determine nothing happened he's disappointed he's lost people's trust.
Evan didn't blast people for putting him on the list. He said he was surprised to see himself on a list.
I feel like Lance would fixate one one or two technicalities that might not be true. Jager did go searching to see what happened with his drug test that day and then discover he didn't think he had one, but was open to the possibility he had one. Sort of like, "trying to figure this out."
Here's Lance: "If you're trying to hide something, you wouldn't keep getting away with it for 10 years. Nobody is that clever."
May 2011: "Twenty-plus-year career, 500 drug controls worldwide, in and out of competition. Never a failed test. I rest my case."
June 2012: "I have never doped … I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jan/18/lance-armstrong-doping-denials-quotesLook obviously this is going to get a lot of and should get a lot of scrutiny and we all have to be open the possibility athletes are doping especially if you're on that list.
The IAAF needs to get people to believe in its anti-doping system. Considering it's past, I can see why many people don't.
Having said that I also know the Russians (Fancy Bears) want you to believe the system is just stacked against them and not other stars when in reality they were the ones abusing the system for years.
- Coach Jerry Lawson's SILENCE on this matter is deafening!
I didn't know 2:10 marathoner Jerry Lawson coached anyone.
- good catch ... rather, Jerry Schumacher?
Lickety Split wrote:
- good catch ... rather, Jerry Schumacher?
You make mistakes like that too frequently. I don't think you are very intelligent.
- Thanks!
I would suspect Jager of doping over Centro
MoPED wrote:
armstrong fan wrote:This Armstrong video is fantastic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJmYmasQhcI can't think of a more charismatic liar.
The Mobot?
Other than the complete lack of charisma....
Anybody who believes Evan is a straight fool. Of course he will deny it, just like every other cheat in existence tried denying it until there was undeniable proof.
Has there ever been 1 single drug cheat in the history of any sport that straight admitted to doping after the 1st allegation of possible doping?
That's what I thought.
Evan, nothing against you, you gotta dope just like everyone else has to do. There's nothing wrong with it. Honestly. You gotta make a living. I hear ya. But still, you did cheat, and you did lie.
Ain't no white boy breaking 8:00 in the steeple (if he didn't fall) without doping. PERIOD.
If you're clean, then take a lie detector test. Then people will believe you. But you will never do it. And that is the truth.
Evan Jager lies wrote:
If you're clean, then take a lie detector test. Then people will believe you. But you will never do it. And that is the truth.
+1000. Paula said she would but never did. I seriously think that it he actually took one (legitimately through an independent source) this would satisfy 99% of the skeptics. But you're right, he won't do this.
Nova runner wrote:
Evan Jager lies wrote:If you're clean, then take a lie detector test. Then people will believe you. But you will never do it. And that is the truth.
+1000. Paula said she would but never did. I seriously think that it he actually took one (legitimately through an independent source) this would satisfy 99% of the skeptics. But you're right, he won't do this.
Yeah because lie detector tests are very inaccurate. Anyone would be a fool to agree to take one, innocent or not.
xcvxvxcvx wrote:
Put it this way: looking at their past records and development opportunities in 2009, Chris Solinsky was much more likely to run 12:55/26:59 than Galen Rupp to go 12:58/26:44.
No he wasn't.
Solinksy was already out of college and had run 13:18 the season before completely healthy.
Then, 26:59 / 12:55... no red flags?
"Talent beats hard work when talent doesn't work hard."
Evan Jager lies wrote:
Anybody who believes Evan is a straight fool. Of course he will deny it, just like every other cheat in existence tried denying it until there was undeniable proof.
Has there ever been 1 single drug cheat in the history of any sport that straight admitted to doping after the 1st allegation of possible doping?
That's what I thought.
Evan, nothing against you, you gotta dope just like everyone else has to do. There's nothing wrong with it. Honestly. You gotta make a living. I hear ya. But still, you did cheat, and you did lie.
Ain't no white boy breaking 8:00 in the steeple (if he didn't fall) without doping. PERIOD.
If you're clean, then take a lie detector test. Then people will believe you. But you will never do it. And that is the truth.
Once again, if a guy is clean what should he say?