A good point, after 400m I was screaming that this was an 800m race.
A good point, after 400m I was screaming that this was an 800m race.
Thanks for the good info.
Proud of Jenny Simpson, very brave race.
Kipyegon surely has some wheels. Fantastic to watch the last 800m.
Well done by the Americans.
I agree with everything you said. And I wasn't trying to say that Rowbury and Simpson didn't do enough - they did wonderfully and ran smart. I agree that it can be very wise not to go out on a pace that it too hot and probably even too hot for the people running it. Muir tried to go with Dibaba and they both died (Muir just much worse). I was just saying that I wouldn't advise people against going for the win.
Oh, and it's true that America goes after doping harder than many other countries do, but that hasn't stopped plenty of Americans in the past. If the drugs are ahead of the tests, test away - it doesn't matter.
I guess they are ahead in terms of anti doping processes but they are also surely ahead in terms of research and science which means they may as well be ahead in terms of doping.
Rotten apples
Don't make the other mistake of lumping American sprinters with American distance runners. They may as well be two separate countries when it comes to doping. Balco was throwing the whole pharmacy into the veins of top sprinters (and one aging middle distance runner) while AlSal *might* have been rubbing some Androgel on his protege. Totally different subsets. There are NOT "plenty of American distance runners" who have been found to dope.
Intergalactic wrote:
Oh, and it's true that America goes after doping harder than many other countries do, but that hasn't stopped plenty of Americans in the past. If the drugs are ahead of the tests, test away - it doesn't matter.
Ok Felix lost to the rules then. But she should have won.
Totally visible wrote:
It's evident wrote:I though Dibaba was going to jog 3:55 to 4:00 for the win. She is most definitely off the sauce.
She tied up so bad there. My thought exactly...under a lot of scrutiny. When has Dibaba folded up like that before? I can't think of one.
Look up her races in 2014. She did the same thing. Huge midrace move only to die badly at the end. Even at the World Championships last year, she ran 1:57 for the last 800, but it was 57, 60. She was dying the last 100.
She actually capitulated to third last year in the Beijing 5000 after Ayana through in a huge surge.
Le Grande Orange wrote:
Trying to figure out Muir's race strategy, or the lack thereof. Dumb, dumb, dumb. As opposed to Simpson, who's a real smart racer.
No, she could not physically with the pace and was just lucky Muir couldn't either.
Do you view Stewarts run for bronze ahea of Pre as smart tactics - or bottling it and running for a medal
Muir was stuffed off a slow early pace as if she left it until the last like Jenny did she does not have the 800m pace for it. Muir needded a decent pace from the off. What was the first lap 78?
Still should shut up those on here who say Simpson should have done the steeple. World Gold and Olympic Bronze - she's a miler
Thank goodness, but she still got a silver, I don't know who is the commentator down here, I think it was the Aussie feed, but he was rambling on and on about Dibaba's disrupted season due to a toe injury and said nothing about how it occurred days after her coach was exposed as a drug mule.
Go Jenny, go!
Why does nobody look at the real and easier reason ?
Faith Kipyegon and Genzebe Dibaba are the two most talented runners in the World in the distance of 1500m. They have MORE endurance than everybody else running the event (Faith was twice WC in cross Country when junior, Genzebe has the WR indoor of 3000 and 5000m) and this happened from the beginning of their career.
When you see Faith running, so relaxed at every pace, and go to compare her with the other runners (Genzebe apart), you see a perfect running model, and also somebody blind understands that she has more talent than the other runners.
The obsession that every result depends on doping is the main reason because athletes are not able to do their best.
Who knows athletics, MUST be able to recognize a different level of talent for athletes who, objectively, start with special gifts : Edwin Moses, Carl Lewis, Bob Beamon are examples of the past, Usain Bolt, Almaz Ayana, Ruth Jebet and Faith Kipyegon are examples of the present.
Pic related, this should be interesting.
Semenya must be kicking herself for not doubling. She could've jogged this in for a gold.
Dibaba had the best mustache of the crew. Kudos to you, hairy lady.
dirty dirty dirty wrote:
There is close to 0% chance that any of those women are clean.
You might open your eyes about this some day, but I doubt it. There's no helping people who don't want to be helped.
Couch Coach wrote:
Americans had poor positioning from 500 to 250 out from end.
They really did. With 350 to go I told my wife they were out of it. The pace may have increased faster than they wanted but given the pedestrian page of the first 2 laps they should have been ready for it.
These races are starting to look like indoor cycling races with the warmup and race being wholly separate.
Aficionado wrote:
Don't make the other mistake of lumping American sprinters with American distance runners. They may as well be two separate countries when it comes to doping. Balco was throwing the whole pharmacy into the veins of top sprinters (and one aging middle distance runner) while AlSal *might* have been rubbing some Androgel on his protege. Totally different subsets. There are NOT "plenty of American distance runners" who have been found to dope.
I'd also add that while I'm sure there's a lot of doping going on in the US today, I'd be surprised if there were another BALCO out there. The BALCO investigation and Operation Puerto really signaled that getting away with doping doesn't just mean not testing positive. I think athletes are probably much more cautious about getting involved in giant conspiracies where law enforcement can pull on one loose thread and ultimately pull the whole thing down.
If I'm right, then it's also less likely that there many American athletes with access to fancy new dope. It took a BALCO to get The Clear and The Clean into the hands of a significant number of athletes. Marion Jones isn't going to go hunt down an organic chemist on her own to see if he can formulate a new drug.
