Donavan Brazier Training: 20-30MPW?

What specific workouts has he done?

I'd also like to know what he has done to gain aerobic power on 20-30MPW.

ttc wrote:

Thing is, Brazier ran XC (15:25 5M) & 40 mpw last year- Strength stays with a runner for a while. What will happen next year, assuming his coach's 20-30 mpw is correct & his off-season base mileage isn't much better?? The 5K endurance won't last forever.

You should contact Brazier and his coach and give them this important info. It seems like they're at a real loss as to how to get him to run faster.

Eh,, wrote:

ttc wrote:

No one says train slow. They're saying build aerobic capacity at least to some extent. If aerobic capacity wasn't needed for the 800m, then MJ >> Rushida in their primes at 800m.

Thing is, Brazier ran XC (15:25 5M) & 40 mpw last year- Strength stays with a runner for a while. What will happen next year, assuming his coach's 20-30 mpw is correct & his off-season base mileage isn't much better?? The 5K endurance won't last forever.

You can build aerobic capacity in other ways than running a lot of miles.

Then state how AND cite where it says Donavan's doing that.

plateumuch wrote:

ttc wrote:

Thing is, Brazier ran XC (15:25 5M) & 40 mpw last year- Strength stays with a runner for a while. What will happen next year, assuming his coach's 20-30 mpw is correct & his off-season base mileage isn't much better?? The 5K endurance won't last forever.

You should contact Brazier and his coach and give them this important info. It seems like they're at a real loss as to how to get him to run faster.

Reread my post or hire a tutor.

Can anyone lay out a sample week of workouts at this kind of mileage for the 800? Curious what it looks like.

I'm very curious about this as well. The training mentioned in the article was pretty vague.

Again, buy Better Training for Distance Runners by Peter Coe and David Martin PhD. If I give you a summary of said book, I would not do the book justice.

Contradiction wrote:

I'd also like to know what he has done to gain aerobic power on 20-30MPW.

Fartleks

Tempos

Hills

"Cruise runs"

Intervals with short rest

Cross training

Being outside in 100 degF Texas heat.

I'm sure others can come up with more things he could be doing

Im not trying to save face what are you talking about. Even if it was not his PR I am stating #1 a fact which you argee with on 6/13 he ran 152 then 6 months later he ran 146. SO he ran a 149 a week later a 149 to 146 in 5-6 months is stll dirty. Who cares when he ran indoor? The issue is the drop in time.

Instead of discussing facts and principle of running you insult. BRo you are one of those"worst people" only willing to see your side and not discuss. It shows how you and those like you do not read material written by educated people nor have you ever train and tried to improve your times at the world level.

You even admit that there is "cheating" going on, its not "cheating" since everyone is doing it. But refuse to admit he could be doing it.

So let me ask you, in what scenario would you consider he is 144 142 140 ? What is the time? Or are you saying because you "know him" it can't possibly be happening.

Are you training with him? HIs roomate? Or has he been a PSU and your at another University, but yet you know for sure.

Folks, can y'all at least spell his name correctly?

It's Donovan Brazier, Donovan with an "o"

Get to know it. You will be hearing his name a lot.

What an amazing talent. Rejoice T&F fans.

Olympic Truth wrote:

Are you training with him? HIs roomate? Or has he been a PSU and your at another University, but yet you know for sure.

The irony! Nobody but you knows for sure, Olympic Truth. You have all the answers, which is why of course you have brought all of your facts to the message boards of LR and posted anonymously. That's the logical thing to do instead of going to the authorities since you're so sure something illegal has taken place. Enjoy the trials and the olympics!

1. Not all 800 runners in history have run big mileage. Where has this false premise come from?

2. Most of the people here are seriously hung up on mileage.

3. You get aerobic benefit from the 800 speed work.

4. How beneficial is running for an hour at 14-15km/hour when your race goes for 1.72 minutes and is run at 28km/hour? Why run for 35 times as long at half the speed you need?

5. Not all 800 are the same beast and the same training does not work for all of them.

There is so much ignorance as to beneficial 800 training on this thread. Some do have a clue.

How do you know what training works for you? Did all of these 800 elites who use a variety of training just go through trial and error or were there signs such as more than normal 400 speed or higher endurance than most? It would be nice not have to waste time experimenting not knowing whether you are at your highest potential or not.

There is a thing called common sense. Are you training for 8/15? Are you a speed guy moving up? Read around.

Answer the question in 4.

Answer this: how can you run sub-1.50 for 800 unless you can run sub-49 for 400?

Also if you can develop your speed in 6 weeks of sharpening, why do sprinters bother training for the other 46 weeks? What do they do?

As usual, you can't listen to LetsRun for any training that's speed-based because that's not the demographic.

Every 800 runner I've known, that was primarily an 800 guy -- has run less than 30 miles per week.

Granted, none of them ran 1:43, but tons around 1:45-1:48 for a period of years.

How much mileage do you think Brandon Johnson runs?

Not a lawyer wrote:

As usual, you can't listen to LetsRun for any training that's speed-based because that's not the demographic.

Every 800 runner I've known, that was primarily an 800 guy -- has run less than 30 miles per week.

Granted, none of them ran 1:43, but tons around 1:45-1:48 for a period of years.

How much mileage do you think Brandon Johnson runs?

Funny, because I knew 2 1:46 guys & 2 1:45 guys. They all ran XC & 70 mpw.

This thread is getting tiresome.

Some people are better suited to low mileage and run well off that style of training.

Some people need more mileage to take advatange of their superior aerobic systems.

In athletics, you train to take maximum advantage of your strengths first, then work on your weaknesses. This is common sense. Still a lot of posters think you can take a sprinter and give them distance training to somehow have all the advantages of their natural speed and also have great endurance. Of course that does not work.

Speedy guys should focus on speed, endurance guys focus on endurance, middle distance guys find what works for you but generally they can handle speed and stamina work equally well.

USA's 2 2012 OG 1:42 guys:

Duane Solomon did 10 mile runs & 1 mile repeats.

Nick Symmonds 71 mpw in base phase- which he considers 6-8 months of the year. Racing season - 63 mpw.

http://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/duane-solomon-800m-athletics-work-rest-play

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/nick-symmonds-ask-me-anything-highlights

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/olympian_nick_symmonds_interview.htm

I also read from an EMU interview that during his 1:43 prime, Earl Jones ran XC & good mileage.

I'm not dissing Brazier's training at all. But ppl here acting like 20-30 mpw for a 1:43 guy is normal, are ignorant.