Is it desirable to train myself to run with my feet flexed (ankles at acute angles)?

Jon Orange wrote:

Your feet don't get tired?

Ok, see you in Rio.

See what you did there? Not an intelligent debate.

Jon Orange wrote:

test2 wrote:

Really? Can you supply any evidence for this? Give me an argument why this is true.

Extra training beyond the well trained level of the average runner/cyclist will not produce extra red blood cells. It should however make you more energy efficient if you do it right.

Testosterone production is know to go down when an athlete over trains or when anyone over works themselves.

Renato Canova has argued similarly that because when his athletes train at altitute certain blood values go the opposite way they would with EPO that this implies EPO wouldn't help his athletes. I would love to have a back an forth with Mr. Canova about this because I take issue with his reasoning. In all of the conversations I've seen Mr. Canova enter on these boads, I've never seen it put to him that correlation does not imply causation.

In any case, I put it to you. Correlation does not imply causation: that hematocrit drops with training does not imply that lower hematocrit is desirable. In the case of testosterone, I think it is generally thought to drop simply as a result of the stress of training. In the case of hematocrit, I believe the situation is a little more complex because increased blood volume is a useful adaptation in itself. Thus it's possible for the number of RBCs to incease while the blood volume also increases in such a way that the hematocrit actually falls. If this is an accurate picture of that happens in the blood with training, then it is hard to see how this argues against the efficacy of EPO. If anything it suggests that highly trained athletes would benefit from EPO more than normal subjects because their starting hematocrits are lower--there is more room to add RBCs before blood becomes too viscous (optimal hematocrit being a balance between more RBCs carrying more oxygen/CO2 and the increasing blood viscosity).

snsnsksknskns wrote:

you've lost

science:

EFFECT OF RECOMBINANT-HUMAN-ERYTHROPOIETIN TREATMENT ON BLOOD-PRESSURE AND SOME HEMATOLOGICAL PARAMETERS IN HEALTHY-MEN

By:BERGLUND, B (BERGLUND, B); EKBLOM, B (EKBLOM, B)

JOURNAL OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Volume: 229 Issue: 2 Pages: 125-130

Published: FEB 1991

read it and prove it wrong.

I read that a long long time ago.

I have explained why. Read carefully.

Fajah wrote:

thejeff wrote:

I forgive you.

Isn't that up to the big Daddy?

"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."

God forgives; we forgive, too.

Do you have a stance on the Original Question?

sjzjananjz wrote:

thejeff wrote:

I forgive you.

Oh wow praise the Lord!!! I am so happy WOW!

Back to your question.

Assuming you will be wearing lead blocks in your shorts to make clydesdale then you need to flex the muscles connecting your upper quads to your glutes very hard (like kegels)

Then you need to keep your knee up for an extended period of time before making contact (like skipping)

Finally make sure your arms are more extended and oscillate up and down smoothly (like a bird flapping it's wings).

Make sure your don't increase your mpw too much. Since you're at 12 now don't go higher than 14 for now.

Also, wear 5 lockets and compression socks over your head, in case that was the idea for your next post.

Hallelujah!!!

Thank you for the parts of that that apply to my question.

Apparently, I have made quite an impression on you. I suppose I should be flattered.

Jon Orange wrote:

dope works wrote:

There you go again. Being aware that something works does not make you obsessive about it.

The sky is blue. I am not obsessed about it by making that observation.

The human body works too. Much better than you realize. This is a self esteem issue and an awareness issue.

Let me tell you something I haven't said before. I figured out when I was about 9 years old that adults had a rather naive belief in drugs and a lack of belief in their own body's ability to repair itself.

A lot of people think like you. I understand that. If I can't change your views, it's not my lack of understanding that is the problem.

I haven't seen a doctor in over 30 years because my body maintains itself very well. That doesn't mean that doping wouldn't make me a bit better as an athlete.

Hematocrit drop with endurance training because of increased plasma volume. This is easy to measure. The amount of red blood cells is the same, not less, it's the percentage that has fallen.

An increase in blood volume causes a bigger sroke volume, although this doesn't increase oxgyen uptake, it does allow the athlete to work hard for longer.

I have explained enough. If you want to read what I wrote in answer to your qeustions above, I don't want to keep repeating it today. People will just ask the same questions over and over if they haven't read through the thread. And why should they if they are only a little interested?

Jon Orange wrote:

wait, what? wrote:

You don't believe a well trained runner can increase oxygen uptake but you don't know for sure?

What is the need for increased capillarization and the cardiovascular stress of elite sport? I thought you said there was less demand to elites due to increased efficiency?

I have explained why. Read carefully.

No you haven't. You have just given your beliefs.

Our hearts would atrophy as we gained efficiency and our capillary beds would wither away.

dope works wrote:

Jon Orange wrote:

The human body works too. Much better than you realize. This is a self esteem issue and an awareness issue.

Let me tell you something I haven't said before. I figured out when I was about 9 years old that adults had a rather naive belief in drugs and a lack of belief in their own body's ability to repair itself.

A lot of people think like you. I understand that. If I can't change your views, it's not my lack of understanding that is the problem.

I haven't seen a doctor in over 30 years because my body maintains itself very well. That doesn't mean that doping wouldn't make me a bit better as an athlete.

Well you're half way to understanding my points I hope. Maybe in 30 years time?

Look, don't you think I have been through these arguments a thousand times since I learned about EPO as a cycling journalist 25 years ago? Can you respect that?

I had to find answers and it took a lot of searching. I know people don't like their dogma being challenged. That's not my problem, but it is a problem for the sport.

thejeff wrote:

Fajah wrote:

Isn't that up to the big Daddy?

"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."

God forgives; we forgive, too.

Do you have a stance on the Original Question?

God forgives? So what is hell for?

My stance on the original question is that you come up with some dumb ideas to avoid hard work.

Jon Orange wrote:

Hematocrit drop with endurance training because of increased plasma volume. This is easy to measure. The amount of red blood cells is the same, not less, it's the percentage that has fallen.

agreed

Jon Orange wrote:

An increase in blood volume causes a bigger sroke volume, although this doesn't increase oxgyen uptake, it does allow the athlete to work hard for longer.

not sure I agree.

Jon Orange wrote:

I have explained enough. If you want to read what I wrote in answer to your qeustions above, I don't want to keep repeating it today. People will just ask the same questions over and over if they haven't read through the thread. And why should they if they are only a little interested?

I've read it but am still thinking through your other longer response.

Jon Orange wrote:

dope works wrote:

I haven't seen a doctor in over 30 years because my body maintains itself very well. That doesn't mean that doping wouldn't make me a bit better as an athlete.

Well you're half way to understanding my points I hope. Maybe in 30 years time?

Look, don't you think I have been through these arguments a thousand times since I learned about EPO as a cycling journalist 25 years ago? Can you respect that?

I had to find answers and it took a lot of searching. I know people don't like their dogma being challenged. That's not my problem, but it is a problem for the sport.

so after 25 years of cycling journalism you deny that EPO and blood doping improve performance?

lemme guess. . . you weren't taken seriously based your 9 year old thoughts

your thoughts are literally those of a child.

Yeah bro I totally belief in jesus the flying zombie now. please tell us more about how fantastic you are and get mad when we get tired of your weirdo form questions.

But seriously, put the lead weights in your pocket, skip hard, and flap your arms for 50 MPW.

On race day, remove the lead weights after weighing in for clydsedale, and you will LITERALLY fly!

:)

Jon Orange wrote:

dope works wrote:

I haven't seen a doctor in over 30 years because my body maintains itself very well. That doesn't mean that doping wouldn't make me a bit better as an athlete.

Well you're half way to understanding my points I hope. Maybe in 30 years time?

Look, don't you think I have been through these arguments a thousand times since I learned about EPO as a cycling journalist 25 years ago? Can you respect that?

I had to find answers and it took a lot of searching. I know people don't like their dogma being challenged. That's not my problem, but it is a problem for the sport.

Thank you for this thorough demonstration of your bizarre marriage of ignorance and arrogance. It's quite stunning to witness.

No I wasn't a cycling journalist for 25 years. I didn't say that. But you can make up whatever you want to believe. And you will.

Jon Orange wrote:

dope works wrote:

I haven't seen a doctor in over 30 years because my body maintains itself very well. That doesn't mean that doping wouldn't make me a bit better as an athlete.

Well you're half way to understanding my points I hope. Maybe in 30 years time?

Look, don't you think I have been through these arguments a thousand times since I learned about EPO as a cycling journalist 25 years ago? Can you respect that?

I had to find answers and it took a lot of searching. I know people don't like their dogma being challenged. That's not my problem, but it is a problem for the sport.

So you wrote a lot of articles explaining how EPO benefits were bunk?

One day you will understand. Just like back in Anquetil's day he absolutely believed that to win the Tour de France he had to take methamphetamine, and that anyone who said otherwise had no idea what they were talking about.

He was wrong. It was just something that people believed back then.

Jon Orange wrote:

No I wasn't a cycling journalist for 25 years. I didn't say that. But you can make up whatever you want to believe. And you will.

that is obvious.

you would have been laughed out of the press rooms with your beliefs from the age of 9 that drugs don't work.

the body heals itself, and therefore, drugs can't work. right?

you lose.