malmo wrote:
wtfunny wrote:Border collies are super smart, for sure. And they're very quick, agile and great dogs. But they don't run miles on end.
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YES THEY DO. Period. Full stop.
Perhaps, but they appear remarkable to you because they are going a bit faster than a top human can. When compared to a Saluki, they are like mid-pack runners.
border tardie wrote:
malmo wrote:YES THEY DO. Period. Full stop.
Perhaps, but they appear remarkable to you because they are going a bit faster than a top human can. When compared to a Saluki, they are like mid-pack runners.
I was the first poster in this thread to to say "Saluki" (topic of thread is "fastest 5k") I mentioned the border collie as my anecdotal choice for the 10k to the marathon, although I'd agree the saluki would probably run circles around them in a marathon, as well.
XFIT BRO THE REAL ONE 1 wrote:
Most of the suggested dogs don't neccessarily scream "manliness" . Might as well get a cat.
Pound for pound, nothing beats a pit pull. They're great sprinters, the can run forever, they can jump incredibly high, pull a multiple of their weight and also they offer GREAT PROTECTION. Needless to say, they're also the most BUFF/SHREDDED of all breeds.
Fair points. Pit bulls are an excellent breed that offers great traits.
But if you're truly looking for the most "muscular" dog, an American Bulldog may be the better choice.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images14/AmericanBulldogCoreah.jpgDog Expert wrote:
[quote]XFIT BRO THE REAL ONE 1 wrote:
Most of the suggested dogs don't neccessarily scream "manliness" . Might as well get a cat.
Pound for pound, nothing beats a pit pull. They're great sprinters, the can run forever, they can jump incredibly high, pull a multiple of their weight and also they offer GREAT PROTECTION. Needless to say, they're also the most BUFF/SHREDDED of all breeds.
They're the dog equivalent of a human gym rat. Strong in a specific way, but not athletic overall. Certainly not fast at short or long distances, and they have no endurance. It turns out excess neck and shoulder muscle are liabilities over distance. Who knew?
dkiedkie wrote:
They're the dog equivalent of a human gym rat. Strong in a specific way, but not athletic overall. Certainly not fast at short or long distances, and they have no endurance. It turns out excess neck and shoulder muscle are liabilities over distance. Who knew?
You probably meant to reply to my message in regards to American bulldogs. Yes, those are form over function. But it sounded like CrossFit Guy values "buffness" over everything else. Thus the recommendation for the American bulldog.
In terms of overall athletic ability, protection and health, a pit bull is hard to beat.
exthrower wrote:
JoJoCo wrote:American Fox Hound, July Dog (yes a real breed...Google it) Running Walkers... any dog bred to chase deer/fox/coyote will crush any of the other dogs mentioned...especially the pointers and bird dogs...When we move up to the 10k and beyond, these dogs margins will only grow... Running Walkers will chase a deer 25 miles sometimes.
Yes....Best endurance of any dogs on the Planet...Hundreds of years of breeding for stamina. Hunters use Garmin's and these dogs on lion and bear sometimes cover 25-30 miles in steep mountain country.
Hundreds of years does not beat thousands of years. Bear and Lion hounds are bred for scenting abilities and tenacity. Neither Bear nor Lion are hard to run down.
PawpawsCoonDog wrote:
Did you read the question? 5k.
I just googled your so called dog breeds, and could only come up with posts from illiterate rednecks talking about their coon dogs. These hillbillies don't know sh1t and it is obvious.
Did you post this?
"my pappaw ran fox hounds and he always called them running walkers and i was just wondering if there was a difference , between the two .. i did not know if a blanket back dog might be a treeing walker cause bout all of the expencive ones are blanket backed !! sorry searched the forms and could not find any info thanks"
JoJoCo wrote:American Fox Hound, July Dog (yes a real breed...Google it) Running Walkers... any dog bred to chase deer/fox/coyote will crush any of the other dogs mentioned...especially the pointers and bird dogs...When we move up to the 10k and beyond, these dogs margins will only grow... Running Walkers will chase a deer 25 miles sometimes.
If you wish to continue your education of less common dog breeds:
Google these: Mountain Cur, Leopard Cur and Catahoula Cattle Dog...all exceptional athletes
exthrower wrote:
Remember too, most dogs today have not been bred for performance for many years and bear no relation to the originals.
I think this is, at the very least, overstated. Absolutely true for some varieties of dogs which have been widely used for companion animals. There are lots of breeds out there which are fairly rare as any sort of companion animal but which are still in quite large use as working dogs.
exthrower wrote:
I know a guy who hunts Saluki's on Jackrabbits..He wrote the book on coursing hounds...Saluki's have more endurance than any of the other coursing hounds but they are not endurance animals, they are middle distance sprinters. 2-3 mile long chases after jackrabbits and a Saluki is finished for the day. Lion and bear hounds often cover 20-30 miles in steep mountain country. Hunters follow on horseback and struggle to keep up. Remember too, most dogs today have not been bred for performance for many years and bear no relation to the originals.
All they'd have to do is pace themselves better. Coursing hounds basically start off at a full sprint and then keep it up longer than their prey. A lion or bear hound is sniffing out a trail and not moving very quickly. The hunters and horses struggling to keep up is a moot point. That's no terrain for horses and certainly not for a horse with a fat dude riding him.
A Jackrabbit also dodges which impedes the running ability of the hound. Watch a Gazelle chase to see what they can do in a straight line.
Dog Expert wrote:
XFIT BRO THE REAL ONE 1 wrote:Most of the suggested dogs don't neccessarily scream "manliness" . Might as well get a cat.
Pound for pound, nothing beats a pit pull. They're great sprinters, the can run forever, they can jump incredibly high, pull a multiple of their weight and also they offer GREAT PROTECTION. Needless to say, they're also the most BUFF/SHREDDED of all breeds.
Fair points. Pit bulls are an excellent breed that offers great traits.
But if you're truly looking for the most "muscular" dog, an American Bulldog may be the better choice.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images14/AmericanBulldogCoreah.jpg
Just want to mention that pit bull isn't really breed. American Bulldog's often fall into the "pit bull" classification and you are correct, it is indeed a tank! I think some of them can go toe to toe with Alaskan Malamutes in pulling competitions
For overall athletic ability - measured by short and long distance speed, endurance, agility, climbing ability, and temperature tolerance - the pit bull is a mid-packer. If your definition of overall athletic ability leans more toward strength ( max weight pull, bite strength, etc) then the pitbull ranks higher. There are several breeds of working dogs that excel at the former definition of athletic ability - kelpie, malinois, cattle dog, border collie. They're smarter and more trainable too.
Dog Expert wrote:
In terms of overall athletic ability, protection and health, a pit bull is hard to beat.
More than 1/2 of the people maimed and killed by pit bulls, have been their owners and/or members of their family. Their only athletic ability is fighting, killing, and they aren't even as healthy as most other dogs.
Dumber than a pit bull wrote:
Dog Expert wrote:In terms of overall athletic ability, protection and health, a pit bull is hard to beat.
More than 1/2 of the people maimed and killed by pit bulls, have been their owners and/or members of their family. Their only athletic ability is fighting, killing, and they aren't even as healthy as most other dogs.
Once again, pit bull isn't a breed of dog. You might as well as throw any bully breed into the mix. Rottweilers, for instance, are also notoriously high on the list of causing fatalities. Finally, people who own pit bull type dogs or other bully breeds are more likely to have criminal backgrounds (about 10 times as many convictions as people who don't own a bully breed) and antisocial behavior. They're considered a "tough guy" dog. Those people are also probably way less likely to get their dog neutered
A breed of dog is an arbitrary decision made by fanciers. It's not a genetic line.
racket wrote:
Once again, pit bull isn't a breed of dog...
It is odd then that the American Canine Association Inc., the American Canine Registry, the American Dog Breeders Association Inc., the American Pit Bull Registry, the American Pet Registry, Inc., the Backwoods Bulldog Club,, the Continental Kennel Club, the Dog Registry of America, Inc., the North American Purebred Registry, Inc., the North American Purebred Dog Registry, the National Kennel Club, the Pit Bull Federation of South Africa, and the United Kennel Club disagree with you.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htmGeneral E Speaking wrote:
racket wrote:Once again, pit bull isn't a breed of dog...
It is odd then that the American Canine Association Inc., the American Canine Registry, the American Dog Breeders Association Inc., the American Pit Bull Registry, the American Pet Registry, Inc., the Backwoods Bulldog Club,, the Continental Kennel Club, the Dog Registry of America, Inc., the North American Purebred Registry, Inc., the North American Purebred Dog Registry, the National Kennel Club, the Pit Bull Federation of South Africa, and the United Kennel Club disagree with you.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm
I find it even more odd that you decided to link info on an American Pit Bull Terrier when American Staffordshire Terriers, Bull Terriers, and American Bulldogs are all considered "pit bull" dogs.
In my post above, I simply pointed out that pit bull dogs encompass a several different breeds of dogs and that "bully breeds" in general get labeled as vicious when many of them are great dogs. I also backed it up with some info so all in all I managed to actually contribute something to the conversation. You're post added nothing of substance to the conversation, not to mention you wasted your time checking with every kennel club in the world on the status of a type of pit bull.
This thread appears to be made up of people who have seen exactly one dog in their lives and think it's the fastest. Or read about an ancient breed and fantasize about its magical qualities. Bunch of retards.
Bingo!
WhereamI wrote:
This thread appears to be made up of people who have seen exactly one dog in their lives and think it's the fastest. Or read about an ancient breed and fantasize about its magical qualities. Bunch of retards.
Gray Wolf or Coyote
exthrower wrote:
[quote]Sal Oooki wrote:
Nonsense...You've heard of fast twitch and slow twitch fibers? I have a staghound/greyhound that I run on rabbits and other varmints and I know what I'm talking about. The lion and bear hunters are not "fat dudes"...They are mostly cowboy types and outfitters. A jackrabbit dodging has no bearing on a dogs endurance, my dog has run countless rabbits, coyotes, deer etc. I belong to several websites devoted to coursing hounds and scent hounds, you are pretty clueless really.
If you're dog is taking several miles to run down a rabbit (not a jackrabbit or hare, a rabbit), get yourself a new dog.
Growing up in Aussie, we had what's called the Pasture Protection Board. And the rabbit guy would come along with his pack of dogs, mutts all shapes and sizes .. including various and sundry sheepdogs, etc, labs, crosses mostly, but also, always a bunch of hounds .. and the difference in speed is incredible.
Any of the sight hounds will outrun any other dog by a magnitude of proverbial miles.
