OFFICIAL MATTHEW MATON SUB-4 THREAD!! HSer runs 3:59.38!!

masterscoach wrote:

You dont know what your talking about re: coaches. Matthew owes everything he has to day to those coaches. I know I was there from day one. Best keep your pathetic words to yourself.

Lol! This is absurd.

I'm confused by this list Malmo. There must be 10 threads regarding how much easier it is to break 4:00 as a 19 y.o and if he was 18 still nobody would care.

According to your list:

14 Runners ran sub 4 under 19:

Ryun

Liqouri

Webb

Fernandez

Verzbickas

Danielson

Creese

Devine

Jones

Jager

Traughtmon

Schilling

Jennings

Mudd

8 Runners ran sub 4 under 20:

Myers

Maton

Byers

Sareel

Andrews

Richey

Pre

Wheeler

If being 19 makes it soo much easier. Why are there more runner under 19 running their first sub 4 mile than under 20?

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6493113&page=1#ixzz3ZkaWV0En

Perspective wrote:

I'm confused by this list

Yes you are.

The list of Junior eligible runners isn't a list of ALL 19 year olds. It is a list of those runners who turned 19 during a specific calendar year. Those who are 19 years old, but turn 20 during a calendar do not show up in the Junior Lists.

Lets say your 19th birthday is in November of this year. You are eligible for Junior competition THIS year. On January 1st, you are not Junior eligible, meaning that you only got a month or two of eligibility at 19 years old. Next Spring and Summer, your performances will go unnoticed at the Junior level, because, it should be kind of obvious, you are no longer a Junior anymore!

Kidder ran sub four as a frosh.

Elkaim as a soph indoors

I think this list may have more guys at sub four under 20,years old than are listed

Unless elkaim was over 20

I did not think kidder was

All this talk \of age and months is rubbish and nothing but obsessing about age records. When you reach elite status, nobody cares how old or young you are -- you can either hang with the top times or you can't.

Why don't we focus on up and coming runners in the US and support their growth, rather than pee contests about who was 2 months older.

Trialswatcher wrote:

Kidder ran sub four as a frosh.

This is not rocket science.

Kidder DOB = 11/18/1993

3:59.48 = 1/26/13

Kidder turned 19 in 2012, therefore he is not a junior in 2013.

I know what a JR is, but the list that Malmo provided doesn't give birth dates so I'm using how old they were when they ran their first sub 4. The reason why I think 19 is a good cut off for "HS" age is because NBON are in June and if you were born in July you would be just under 19 there. So Kidder should be added to the list? That makes it 14 to 9 then. Still all this fuss about him being 19 and he is in a more prestigious group of athletes than what Letsrun considers "HS" age. I would also add Fisher and Hall to with list with their 3:42's which would make it 16 to 9?

You can download the spreadsheet. It has the birthdates and the competition dates.

https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet/152/High%20School%20Milers.xlsx

The lists I provided were from two commonly recorded lists 1) High school lists and 2) Junior lists. I'm not aware of any age 19 lists. If you want to make of an age group list, you are more than welcome to do some heavy lifting yourself.

Since kidder didn't break 4:00 as a prep or as a Junior he's not on the list.

Perspective wrote:

I would also add Fisher and Hall to with list with their 3:42's which would make it 16 to 9?

3:42s are not sub 4.

LetsRun.com wrote:

srger wrote:

How old is he? If he's 19 U don;t really care

Maton, like Edward Cheserek a few years back, is indeed old for HS. He probably very easily could be a freshman as he turned 19 on March 28th. So consider him to be a red-shirt senior in HS!!

Some of my early 70's Prep Track magazines list some of the results in a separate line as 5th year seniors, meaning they were 19 year old seniors when they ran their time.

I do not know if they were given that status because they had to repeat a grade or because they started school at a later age.

Someone out there know the answer to 5th year senior.

The 1.08 conversion factor is a guesstimate.

My brother was a 19 year old HS senior. He was not a fifth year senior. He repeated the sixth grade.

This is an example of what I'm talking about. Look at the end of the mile and 2-mile.

Yes, he is a year older than a typical high school senior and about 7 months older than the oldest senior in the normal range. However, this situation is increasingly common (particularly in the south for would-be football players) and Kenny Cormier was also a year older than the norm when he won Footlocker XC. But it also has to be said that of the other high school sub-4 runners, plus German, Ryan Hall, and Chris Derrick, that were mentioned in the thread, age did not improve a number of them. In general, your typical college freshmen and sophomore runners are a lot faster than they were in high school. But that did not happen at all for Verzbicas or Danielson or Hall, and German ran 3:55 as a freshman still high school age and has not run faster at that distance, though he did run 3:34 after his senior year of college. Congratulations to Maton and my bet is that he continues to run faster, given the conditions and the fact that physically he is not fully developed. At Oregon, he's going to have a great shot to run 3:55.

10/10. Add my congratulations to young Mr. Maton-quite an accomplishment at any age. At the same time, I do agree that going into a high quality program like Oregon should help him lower that time significantly within a year or two (most likely two years because next year will be an \\\"adjustment\\\" phase next year). I would have done anything to run with the likes of an Ed Cheserek or young Mr. Haney (a day younger than Maton, BTW) and have at my disposal all that Oregon can offer a kid who is passionate about running.

All this negative talk and obsessing over a 19 year old kid\\\'s age is absurd and no doubt is coming from someone with serious self-confidence issues of their own.

Screaming Meemie wrote:

All this negative talk and obsessing over a 19 year old kid\'s age is absurd and no doubt is coming from someone with serious self-confidence issues of their own.

The tactic of people with poor communication skills. Pointing out the obvious unfairness of a 19 year old competing as a high schooler means that the messenger has SERIOUS SELF CONFIDENCE ISSUES? Really really lame.

If the shoe fits.......

amateur psychiatrist wrote:

Screaming Meemie wrote:

All this negative talk and obsessing over a 19 year old kid's age is absurd and no doubt is coming from someone with serious self-confidence issues of their own.

The tactic of people with poor communication skills. Pointing out the obvious unfairness of a 19 year old competing as a high schooler means that the messenger has SERIOUS SELF CONFIDENCE ISSUES? Really really lame.

It's a list of kids who

1) run sub 4

2) while in high school.

Maton qualifies. He is not over the age limit for competing in high school sports.

Screaming Meemie wrote:

If the shoe fits.......

Dumb idioms for $100, Alex.