Congrats to Christophe Lemaitre - fastest clean man in the 100 meter final!!!

simple truth wrote:

at the end of the day blacks can run faster and jump higher...

A fundamentall fallacy. Practical tests done in USA showed that black youngsters outjumped white youngsters by 5.5 cm in the vertical jump. But the problem is that blacks are much smaller than whites. The tallest population of West African ancestry are US blacks with 178 cm. The tallest white nation are the Dutch with 184 cm. And I don't mention regional means in former Yugoslavia that climb over 185 cm in some areas.

And remember that US blacks enjoy the advantages of the US economy. USA were historically tens of years ahead of the world with regard to the secular trend of body height (due to their booming economy, low population density and rich natural resources). During the second half of the 20th century, they started to be surpassed by many European nations, who were catching with them up. Even today, some European nations with apparently good genetic endowment for big body size are relatively impoverished and are on the level, where the richest eUROPEAN countries were before World war II.

In terms of athletic ability,this is how I rate them.

1) Black men

2) Black women

3)White women

4)Asian Men

5)White Men

6)Asian women

lpd wrote:

In terms of athletic ability,this is how I rate them.

1) Black men

2) Black women

3)White women

4)Asian Men

5)White Men

6)Asian women

A model example of US medial brainwashing.

Let's stop this insanity, please.

Yes New World Blacks have more unique genes than West and Central African Blacks. Even Bolt has some White ancestry and may have aboriginal. Among full blooded Africans only Obi has ever been on medal stand and the times of the short sprinters have regressed. Of course doping protocols have to be more advanced due to better testing. I didn't include Fredricks because of his Germanic name and probable Germanic ancestry.

jjjj2 wrote:

Almost wrote:

That's incredible isn't it ? Do you imagine what kind of time a full English-blooded man would run if such individuals existed ? 7s, 8s or 9s flat in 100m. Too bad they don't exist and we are forced with this African immigrant as current ER holder in the 100

P.S I'm joking

Dude, I dont think you understand! Captain Bligh used his full-blooded English sub-10 sec. speed to run away from savages in the South Pacific! This is wearing a proper officers uniform and boots! Just think if he had spikes!

That's why Black brazilians who are the most numerous in the New World have been dominating sprinting ?? Or is it just that sprinting is culturally held in higher regards in the Caribbean than elsewhere ???

As for Bolt, let's take a look at his parents:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/09/usain-bolt-jamaica-athletics

http://gojamaica.net/news/articleimages/2013/45544wellesley_bolt.jpg

Strong English look can be seen in his parents!!! LMFAO

I wondered about this too. But Black Brazilians are from the South of Africa, Mozambique. So it's possible they aren't as many genetic outliers from that population. Also Venezuela has more Black people of West African ancestry than most Caribbean countries and that nation never has a top sprinter.

Drugs,Drugs,Drugs wrote:

I wondered about this too. But Black Brazilians are from the South of Africa, Mozambique. So it's possible they aren't as many genetic outliers from that population. Also Venezuela has more Black people of West African ancestry than most Caribbean countries and that nation never has a top sprinter.

That's a wrong. A very large part of Black Brazilians come from West Africa.

I thought that too but the slave traders that grabbed them were largely from Portugal and that is where they traded for the slaves. Maybe some were bought off of Spanish and English traders who largely bought the slaves from the Gold Coast.

So, we have two athletically superior black women in top two places in the 400 m...

Ohuruogu - 175/68 (BMI 22.20 kg/m2)

Montsho - 173/57 (BMI 19.05 kg/m2)

The average physique of Top 30 women in this distance is 171.4 cm/61.6 kg (BMI 20,65 kg/m2). The average physique of medal winners since 2000 is 172,6 cm/62,2 kg (BMI 20,84 kg/m2).

The physiques of these superior black women fit quite favourably in this distance, and in fact, they are even taller than average (undoubtedly, this is due to their inherited superiority, because everybody in USA knows that blacks are so strong and tall). Body height is actually a key performance deteriminant in the 400 m, because it is closely tied with anaerobic capacity that increases with body size.

But let's look... (Yes, "let's look" - the popular words that some Letsrun posters from USA use, when pointing at the impressive stats from their sports that nobody outside USA is interested in)... let's look at the body dimensions of their native populations. Thanks to the UK british survey from 2004, we know the average body height of African women:

Black African women in UK (2004, 16-34 years): 163.3 cm (n=160)

We also know the average height of US black women, by the way:

NHANES 2003-06: 163.2 cm

NHANES 2007-10: 163.7 cm

And we also have a certain idea about the height of women in Jamaica:

163.4 cm (2007-08)

164.6 cm (1999)

And thanks to demographic and health surveys (DHS), we also know the average height of women in Nigeria, the home of Ohuruogu's parents:

Nigeria (20-24 years),

DHS survey 2008:

156.6 cm (n=3304)

Nigeria (20-24 years)

DHS survey 2003:

158.4 cm (n=1461)

(Well, we know that the body height of Subsaharan Africans has been decreasing since decolonization, but it doesn't matter; they remain athletically superior anyway.)

We don't know the average height of women in Botswana. Due to higher GDP, it will probably be a bit higher than in South Africa (159.0 cm), Namibia (160.1 cm) and Zimbabwe (159.5 cm), but I would bet that the difference won't be fundamental.

And now, let's look at physiques of those unathletic, degenerated white women:

Dalmatia, Herzegovina 171.1 cm (2001-03)

Netherlands 170.7 cm (2009)

Montenegro 168.4 cm (2011)

Sweden (Göteborg area) 167.9 cm (2008-09)

Lithuania 167.9 cm (2008)

Estonia 167.9 cm (2003-05)

Czech republic 167.3 cm (2001)

Serbia 167.3 cm (2006)

Norway (Bergen) 167.2 cm (2003-06)

Latvia 166.8 cm (2005-06)

Croatia 166.3 cm (2006-08)

Germany 165.8 cm (2003-06)...

Wait... What the hell does it mean?! How is it possible that athletically superior black women as much as 10 cm smaller than athletically inferior white women? I am utterly lost... I need a sports expert from ESPN! Heeeeeeeeeelp!!!!

Mmmh, why do you feel the need to change your screen name from Sport Physiologists to Voice of sanity ? Sock puppeting is not really the way to go !

Beat Hefti and Cedric Grand are 2 very big white guys that are/were fast as hell. Lean 220lbs and 6.68 and 6.60 (Swiss NR) respectively for 60m. They each cleaned circa 400lbs at their best, ass-to-grass squat >600lbs, etc.

Jacko Gill is more athletic than nearly every American footballer.

Post-of-the-day.Whites also seem to be the most obtuse and bigoted posters, offering persuasive evidence of low IQ and moral flaws. But I believe that the racial bluster and animus on this site is merely a reflection of the anonymity of posters. As a 73 year old with much experience in locker rooms, barracks, classrooms, and club houses around the globe, I have never encountered the evident racism of whites on letsrun. It is an arrant outlier. I assume it is the effect of a few lonely and embittered trolls seeking attention.

MmmmKay wrote:

Mmmh, why do you feel the need to change your screen name from Sport Physiologists to Voice of sanity ?

Because discussion like this crossed the line of sanity a long time ago. It has nothing to do with racism or anything like that. People simply don't know facts and succumb to brainwashing propaganda that is completely out of touch with the reality. As a result, many talented individuals even don't dare to compete in certain sports, thinking that they can't match their "superior" rivals.

I know the facts and I know that some events in athletics are an utter joke, as for the level of international competition.

Once you go Black you don't go back? You are even seeing Black athletes making teams in the throwing events now. Of course large Black males might have been steered to football or have been obese baseball prospects but you would have to think less Whites are doing these events in track and field.

You should have just left it at that. you are wasting a lot of precious brain power trying to figure out a way how, maybe, JUST maybe, white runners could match the success of black runners at sprints or distance running. it ain't happening.

if by "all other sports" you mean, in particular sprinting and distance running, the answer is simple, and you already touched upon this: sprinting and distance running are pure fitness sports. very little technique or skill involved (contrary to all the armchair experts on here). One can overcome physical deficits with skill focus in sports like soccer, and this does not happen in running. In sprinting the ones with the most phyiscal talent will almost always rise to the top. Very simple there. In distance running, it's similar, with the ones with the most physical talent and resistance to injury and who responds best to hard training stimuli (which are both aspects of talent anyway) will almost always rise to the top. The only difference is that distance running that talent needs to be developed more before one can be a world beater, so hard work ends up playing a bit more of a role.

Right on the first part, wrong on the second. It has so many other factors than running, and THAT is the difference (you listed them yourself!) And the type of fitness required is most similar to mid distance running, which are the best events for whites in running, so it is no coincidence that such a sport is one that whites can match blacks at (due to the type of fitness required, and the fact that skill development through years of practice and coaching can overcome pure physical disadvantages such as being a slower sprinter, being able to not jump as high, etc. Again, this is not the case in running).

Basketball, on the other hand, includes much more of an explosives/sprinter type of fitness, which is an advantage to blacks, so no again, no coincidence that this is their better sport, though of course in the USA, culture plays a big role here too.

Yes it did, and it happened as soon as you decided to weigh in with your absurdly idiotic nonsense.

Gotta love it. The ol' "the powers that be have brainwashed whites into thinking they can't sprint, therefore that is why they are not successful at sprinting" argument. Awesome. Yes, the white kid who is the fastest in his all white HS goes to states and is told by white coach and white daddy: 'remember son, you're not fast as those black kids, so don't try too hard, you might get hurt.' And then he goes out and dogs it, and well, that's the end of his sprints career. Hilarious that you believe this for one second. Sprinting is the most simple, natural thing a human can do (contrary to the overwrought analyses of one Sprint Geezer). If you're super fast, you're super fast, and you'll keep at it until it's apparent you have no future in it. This just happens to most whites at a pretty young age. It's as simple as that. But sure, it's much more fun to believe in a grand racial conspiracy to keep the white man down.

then why aren't whites out there cleaning up in these "joke" events? Oh right, they gave up because they were told they didn't have a chance, even though they did. What a sad, sad story it is. sniffle, sniffle....

Why is that posters who name themselves "voice of sanity" or "Mr rational" or "physiology expert" are most of the least sane, rational, or expert at the subject being discussed?? If you have insist to everyone with your posting name that you are so rational and reasonable, you're almost certainly not those things. Case in point....you.

Lord, I hate this site sometimes.

Drugs,Drugs,Drugs wrote:

Once you go Black you don't go back? You are even seeing Black athletes making teams in the throwing events now. Of course large Black males might have been steered to football or have been obese baseball prospects but you would have to think less Whites are doing these events in track and field.

That may actually be true. The average performance level in the javelin throw and the hammer throw has been decreasing.

The only throwing events (and the only technical events) in which we observe a gradual improvement during the last 15 years are those that are renowned for chronical doping issues - the shot put and the discus throw. Interesting...

events.htm

Look, you rational dude, with your rationality and expertise, you will certainly illuminate me very easily, why in some events like short sprints, long jump and triple jump US whites haven't produced virtually any world class athletes since early 70's.