New Japanese JR record for 100m... 10.01 seconds!

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Since that entry is from his Japanese Wiki page, I would need further verification to believe that he is 175cm.

Every one of the Japanese sources I've seen, including the Web sites of some major sports publications, say exactly same thing: 175 cm. But, yes, that could just be circular reporting. Reports of his weight vary between 66 and 68 kg. In fact, the weight shown on his Wiki page jumped a kg just today.

OK, I've now watched the vid many times.

One thing is for sure in my mind: that WAS a real 10.01!

That guy was moving. The more you watch it, the more it becomes apparent. IF he grows a bit and gets a better start, he will be a killer on the circuit.

I still question his age, and his reported height.

I also question the assertion that the only training he does is on 50m of dirt. IF that is true, he is perhaps the most naturally talented 100m sprinter, ever.

Dude was MOVING! It looks funny because he is so short, his levers are moving so fast, that it looks like he is going faster than he is. He also strides it out pretty well, he is definitely hitting his top gear already this time of the year. Very impressive. His turnover is even better than the other Japanese sprinters in the race.

10.01

real not real? you have to ask the question.

look at the flags and the clip board, peoples hair.

it was windy but not that windy.

and drugs? japan has got to be the cleanest country going based on past positives.

and age? when is the last time japan was accused of having even one over-ager???

knowledgeable people please chime in.

Reminds me of the story of Houston McTear, so it's not implausible to me.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1089798/

Tyson Gay moves about as fast and is 5'10.5 and has run 9.69, 9.75 basic.

Kiryu is 5'7"(170cm) its quite obvious. The Japanese can have their fast sprinter but when he gets to the circuit or worlds which he will eventually have to do, he is going to be dwarfed against the 5'11-6'5 crowd. If 5'9" 190lb guys can look small, a 5'7" 155lb guy is going to look like a child.

I believe his training is legit, but usually these guys lie about how much training they do which is normal. Kiryu is obviously hitting the weights pretty good, and he has unique hypertrophy in his legs which means he's probably got a lot of natural talent.

He's also mostly done growing at 17. He'll be lucky to add an inch by his early 20's. And even better, by running this fast this young he gets to be in the testing pool and Japan is an easy place to test in. So we'll know if he's legitimate or not.

I don't care if he's 15 years old and broke the world record. If he runs at the world juniors instead of going to the pros on the circuit, or the adult world champs we know somethings fishy.

If he suddenly gets to Europe and can only run 10.2, we know something is fishy.

The whole Japanese vs Chinese thing makes me even more suspicious of these asian sprint performances.

We will know soon enough.

Bolt ran 10.03 as a 20 year old, almost 3 years after his 19.93wjr. The next year Bolt ran 9.85/9.72wr/9.69wr(9.65) and 3 Gold medals.

Knowing the japanese I wouldn't be surprised if Kiryu is a robot cyborg.

I would expect him to run slower than his best on the circuit--the travel sucks, and it takes time to get used to it.

I'm still not convinced that everything about this is 100% legit, although it did look like a 10.01

As to the poster upthread who said he will look ridiculous if he gets to the circuit, and that if he doesn't run the circuit it would be suspicious, IDK. It's not entirely his decision if he runs the circuit or not, and he wouldn't look any more ridiculous against the big guys than someone like Yamagata or Su.

The best was when Su got to line up against Bolt in the semi in the London 100m...and got crushed. While Su has that rocket start, he was never more than a meter ahead of Bolt, and Bolt had caught up by 30, and breezed by him. The difference is SHOCKING. Bolt SHUT IT DOWN in 9.87, Su finishes last in a disappointing 10.28--he blew his entire wad early in the race.

Yamagata fared much better against Blake and Gay. Although he too was reeled-in and eclipsed, he didn't fade as badly as Su, and wound up in 6th place in 10.10

If Kiryu can get down under 10.1 on the circuit, he won't look out of place. OTOH, if he's going 10.3...

Time will tell.

if bolt et all are able to take sarms and get away with it

and considered uber clean ,

then others are going to follow same protocal when know not much of risk of getting caught .

yes since serious steroid testing , agree ,japanese athletes have been very clean ,but doesnt include newer ped

eventually some of them are going to follow suit and that

means sarms s4 .

regards height if using the s4 regularly due to its androgenic nature will likely mean a cap in growth .

seen it so many times now with younger sprinters making large drops in time ,that to good to be true. gemilli is one obvious example.

if can work on his strength base with something like lgd4033 then even more drop in time to be had .

Here is the video of the final from later that day (won in 10.03 +2.7)

Looking at the 200m times, I come to the conclusion that Carl's 19.75 was the WR (and was considered Low Altitude WR), and that then went to De Loach, same time, and Marsh, 19.73, before Johnson does 19.66 and 19.32. I have not seen the race but if as insinuated, Carl could have ran say 19.69 with a better bend and retained Olympic 200m Gold, then he would also have had the WR for 13 years until Johnson. Who then had it 12 years until Bolt. Who could have it for another say 11 years? Who's gonna come along in 2020-25 then to beat it.. They must have been born after 2000, so would be just starting to develop now if they are around..

This guy could be a contender to win gold in 2020(if he keeps developing). I have no idea if he is on a PED program. But the Japanese as a whole have had very few positives over the years. I actually don't recall any. The Chinese on the other hand have been as dirty as the Russians, Americans, East Germans etc...

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I can live with facts that do not seem to be too inconsistent.

For instance, I could live with the suggestion that he is 17 years old--but then I couldn't live with him having gone 10.01 (+0.9) for a world lead at the end of April.

Something's fishy in Japan, and it's not the sushi.

OTOH, if this was all legit, it is truly amazing.

We will see.

So it is not surprising but surprising (amazing)?

There's no age gate in Japan.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I also question the assertion that the only training he does is on 50m of dirt. IF that is true, he is perhaps the most naturally talented 100m sprinter, ever.

Or maybe the training surface isn't nearly as important as the quality of the coaching.

I've seen T.V. footage of him training on the dirt field at his school. His coaches lay out a series of stride-length markers at varying intervals for him to hit at the different stages of acceleration. Just based on that, they seem to know what they are doing, and they seem to be taking a systematic approach. That shouldn't really be a surprise, this being Japan and all.

longjack wrote:

and age? when is the last time japan was accused of having even one over-ager???

knowledgeable people please chime in.

I've already addressed the age and doping suspicions. Read back up-thread.

Nutshell:

Despite not having personal ID numbers like the soc. security numbers in the U.S., Japan keeps much better records on people and their whereabouts than the U.S. So his age isn't an issue. He is 17.

And no one can cite a single instance of a Japanese T&F athlete being busted for doping. Ever. In fact, I haven't heard of any Japanese athlete in any sport ever being busted for doping. I'm told that a Japanese pro soccer player was busted for PED use while playing in Europe, but I haven't bothered trying to confirm that.

Anyway, given Japan's spotless record, you'd have to be stark raving looney to bet that Kiryu is doping.

200m? Not, even, close.

You have to have long legs or be relatively big to be successful in the 200m. Blake is an outlier at 5'11". MJ/Bolt 6+ powerful legs. Most other guys in the sub 19.7 range are big too, except Dix.

I would say 20.00-19.70 for this guy as he comes along. His little legs just aren't long enough.

Bob Dobbs wrote:

Anyway, given Japan's spotless record, you'd have to be stark raving looney to bet that Kiryu is doping.

Not to mention the fact that he ran 10.58 into a headwind when he was 15 YEARS OLD.

Get real folks. The kid's just a screamer.

Just because I put Sprint on the front of my name doesn't make me an expert on all things sprinting. Ever seen what happens to a Japanese celebrity caught with 'recreational' drugs let alone what would happen to an athlete on PEDS?

Seriously, you actually know less than nothing about sprinting SPRINTGEEZER. If you love sprinting, sit back and enjoy, because this kid is one of the fastest ever clean athletes and he is only 17. In the meantime, shut up!!!

Mennea was only average height and next to MJ and Bolt is probably the 3rd greatest 200m runner ever in terms of length of his career.

This is fantastic info. Thanks.

Bob Dobbs wrote:

Or maybe the training surface isn't nearly as important as the quality of the coaching.

I've seen T.V. footage of him training on the dirt field at his school. His coaches lay out a series of stride-length markers at varying intervals for him to hit at the different stages of acceleration. Just based on that, they seem to know what they are doing, and they seem to be taking a systematic approach. That shouldn't really be a surprise, this being Japan and all.