What is with the older generation and walking around nude in locker rooms?

Would also add to the idiotic post above that the soul is by definition supernatural; what moron would look into a casket for a soul to prove the non-existence of God?

Pseudo-scientists like this jerk not only make a mockery of science but attempt to outlaw philosophy.

What in the hell do his ramblings and religious bigotry have to do with the question of what caused the universe to exist, to cause life to exist?

Was there anything before this universe?

Did time begin?

How does he or his poster explain away the eyewitness accounts of the Gospels? It is worth discussing but I don't think he would be up to it.

In what part of my post did I indicate that I don't believe in the evolution? I don't have an advanced degree in science, but I would think the preponderance of evidence supports most of what is taught as evolutionary biology to varying degrees. Your advanced scientific mind jumped to a different conclusion based on nothing in my post. Why? Are facts not important to you as "Scientist?"

If you thought I was the original poster, you did not bother to read very clearly. I just got hooked by the sheer arrogant nature of your post and responded to that. "Fuccin religious retard"? And you're out of high school?

Just like you, I have also discussed theories with other people that I thought were preposterous, but never called them a "fuccin religious retard." You did, and it leads to the conclusion that you are a pompous ass who cannot communicate at a level much more advanced than a high schooler. That along with the flaunting of your education and title shows nothing but insecurity. Let your arguments do the talking.

To place no value on religion is your right and none of my business. To gratuitously insult someone else in a sophomoric manner is worthy of the 16 year old kids who post here, not an academic in a position of responsibility. Unfortunately, it's somewhat expected for the kids here on LetsRun to act like inarticulate teenagers. There's no need for a smug "Scientist" to follow their lead.

As for your ethnic straw man, who the hell cares about your ethnicity? What compelled you to throw up that straw man, anyway? Most religions believe that all members of the human family are related, so how is that an argument against religious belief? The logic in your post becomes flimsier and flimsier as you write, gradually revealing your level of intelligence. Or more likely, it reveals the number of hits on the bong.

By the way, that grandfather was a tricky devil - a chimpanzee who changed into a black man and then into a red man.

See, a more precise use of English would have allowed your statement to look less buffoonish (and I chose that word specifically, just like I chose to say missing link of humanity in the last post.)

Like I said, you must be a real winner with those under your authority who disagree with anything you've accepted as your gospel.

"we as Scientist...." I'll stop there. You must be a troll. Even academia has limits to the levels they will promote the most obnoxious people.

Another 1979 wrote:

By the way, that grandfather was a tricky devil - a chimpanzee who changed into a black man and then into a red man.

You have obviously never read Origin of Species, or any of Darwin's work for that matter.

The biggest part of understanding evolution is understanding that its a long, slow, constant process.

Your statement indicates that you have are not familiar with evolutionary concepts in the least bit.

Earth has existed for 4.6 billion years, and life has been been here for 3.9 billion years. The Monkeys tale didn't just fall off "over night" as your statment strongly suggests. The Chimpanzee didnt lose all of its hair "over night" as your statement also suggests. Last but not least, the original skin shade of dark mastadons and neanderthals didnt go white "over night". White skin people have only been here for just over 3,000 years, while human life as a whole as been here for 4.6 million years as that other Scientist stated.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you. personally are white. As far as im concerned, you (white people) are just guests on this planet, simply because you evolved from your ancestors who has darker skin. You do not respect your ancestors. That Black man is you, its just an older version of you. That Chimpanzee is you, its just an older version of you. How unfortunate it is that you do not understand that day by day, Chimpanzee's look at us and acknowledge that we are their descendants. We are them, we are just a newer version of them.

Like i said, my wording may be different than that other Scientist name Stanpiano or w/e, but his facts are correct and i am support him to the fullest in this worthless attempt at explain evolution to you, an obvious english/humanities imbecile.

My first step in directing your dolt mentality would be to put time in perspective, and take into consideration how slowly but SURELY like can change over 4 billion years, and then take a Biology class from a local institution, but english/humanity nimrods like you are already to far off the reality richter scale to ever learn any real, natural knowledge. I would be utterly appauled if you could even solve a simple math or science problem if your life depended on it.

Cytosomatic Scientist wrote:

and take into consideration how slowly but SURELY like can change over 4 billion years

"life".

Sorry im just editing your last post so nobody misinterprets it. T'was a great read. Saved it. Thank you for posting.

B.P.

Or: what's with LRforum spending six pages talking about naked men in the locker room?

For the record: the guys who spend far too much time naked in the locker room are the creepy ones who do other things to call attention to themselves as well.

52 and counting wrote:

Everyone until the early seventies spent time in the military and all the coaches and teachers brought those earthy atittudes to their careers.

Also, I think a much larger percentage of teenagers had experience in labor jobs back then. There was no way you could end the day in a mill or factory and put on a girly show of modesty to avoid showering the grime away.

My kids are in elementary school so I had no idea that youngsters had become so frightened of communal showers and locker rooms.

Is this a skinny runner phenomen or has Oprafication spread to sports like football, basketball and hockey?

I am sure the population of kids 16 and over work just as much as the kids back in your day.

And why is the arguement changed to kids are afraid to take ahowers in public places. highschoolers, especially runners, shit and piss anywhere we please, let alone shower.

But the OP is stating that fact that there are numerous old men who lounge naked in lockers rooms for extended times, while not doing anything that youd normally do in a locker room(shower, change clothes, etc.)

A couple of observations:

Old Fart--I'm 44, I guess I missed your arbitrary cut-off of 45.

Boy, I can't wait to get my Jerk License.

Your admonition to me is misguided--I had the same experiences as you, and more. Again, it's got NOTHING to do with nudity per se.

Like other posters have discussed, not only have I done the group shower thing in school, also in college, in my 4 yrs in the military, while working a factory job in HS, while working at a large law firm, and even showering in the buff, in the wide open, in full view, while working on a farm.

The OP was talking not about normal conduct, but about LOSER conduct. It's not about nudity, it's about being an inconsiderate a-hole, or an outright perv.

Furthermore, about homophobia--the Y I go to is famed for being Gay Central. EVERYBODY I know there is gay.

This has absolutely ZERO to do with sexual preference. There are 2 kinds of people, whether gay or straight: considerate, civil people, and inconsiderate a-holes, including pervs.

I went to breakfast after a workout with some of my gay friends, and when they asked me why it took me so long to get to the restaurant, I told them that I went in to take a steam after working out.

They were totally grossed-out, and told me that not only do they NEVER go in the steam-room, but they try never to go anywhere near the upper locker room at all, because it was full of "disgusting creeps"!

And this is coming from some really promiscuous flamers. When I told them about the Y with the old naked guys sitting around watching TV on the vinyl sofas, they told me that nobody goes there UNLESS they are of that ilk, and that that Y had been infamous for such conduct since the '70's.

I guess in having chosen vinyl upholstery, the Y was expressing a preference for the spread of chlamydia over bedbugs.

Some people just have no class. When I was in swim lessons as a little kid, some other kid decided to pull a "joke", and do the piss-on-my-leg-in-the-shower thing.

I knocked out one of his two upper front teeth, and that was the end of that. The unexpected thing was that I became everybody's best friend, because he had pissed on everybody else, too, but nobody wanted to do anything about it.

Finally, my wife reports that women are EXTREMELY sensitive to nudity in the change room, and will go to great lengths to not appear naked, unless they feel that they are surrounded by their lifelong friends--and sometimes not even then. She says it's a body-image thing.

Some people think it's fine to be naked in front of strangers, some don't.

Interesting... In a day and age that we are to be so acceptable of gays, I am not, many are shocked to to see anther man shoewr in the locker room. Yet, I would bet that the same would love a BJ from a random girl that they just met.

I'm sure someone posted it already, but anyway...

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Sometimes the old dudes who have their junk out is a sign that they want to meet other guys. If there is no gay bathhouse nearby, these guys will go to the nearest gym with a sauna/steam room that is not co-ed.

Sprint Geezer wrote:

Finally, my wife reports that women are EXTREMELY sensitive to nudity in the change room, and will go to great lengths to not appear naked, unless they feel that they are surrounded by their lifelong friends--and sometimes not even then. She says it's a body-image thing.

Exactly.

Also, I think once a woman has had an uncomfortable/terrifying experience or situation with their personal space can definitely make them more reluctant to change in front of others.

Dude, just because you don't have experience with this doesn't mean it isn't common. Most of the high schools in Central Ohio offer summer gym for high school students. My daughter is a CC and track runner, with two a days 3 times a week, plus she has to free up a period for band and potentially another one for drama. She may be able to eek out a study hall in there somewhere, and I'll tell you brother, she's not one to waste a study hall. Regardless, summer gym frees up the schedule a bit when school starts. I would have done it in high school if I could have.

Where do people like you come from?

Are you even a runner?

What are you doing on a running message board?

I remember an observation my dear old daddy had on this subject.

He related to me about when he was in the military during WWII days, there were not toilet stalls, no pretention of privacy. If you needed to take a crap, you walked over, sat down and did your business, with 20 of your closest friends nearby, also doing said business.

I personally didn't like to shower in Jr. High and HS due to me being a "late bloomer" - but I did it anyways because it was the hygenic thing to do. And it still IS the hygenic thing to do. Nothing's changed there other than the sensitivity of today's society.

So, sure there are actions that you can do to make everyone around you comfortable - but try to enforce things like no farting - then you got problems. If you don't like old dudes standing around naked and talking, then that's your problem. If you walk into a locker room - there WILL be naked people in there - in all shapes and sizes. It's an expectation.

If you don't like it, don't go in! Simple.