Howard Campbell wrote:
Judeo-Christian heritage?
I remember when the right wing nuts talke of our Christian heritage.
Why does nobody ever talk of the Judeo-Muslim tradition? Islam came out of Judaism, just as Christianity did.
Yeah, we have such a rich Muslim heritage. LMAO
only me wrote:
All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments.When you start with a lie it devalues the remainder of your post.
When you don't take the time to read the posted article, what does that make you?
In September 2009 as reported in Investor's Business Daily: "830,000 Canadians are currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment"... In England, the waiting list is 1.8 million."
Care to change your remarks?
HCR/HIR are here now and that's the focus of the American people. The WSJ should focus on that.
He won't. He is a left-wing nutjob.WSJ Article wrote:
only me wrote:When you start with a lie it devalues the remainder of your post.
When you don't take the time to read the posted article, what does that make you?
In September 2009 as reported in Investor's Business Daily: "830,000 Canadians are currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment"... In England, the waiting list is 1.8 million."
Care to change your remarks?
Judaiasm came from Zoraster (Persia) which came from Phaeroh Akhenaton (Egypt).
WWRD... wrote:
I'm still waiting for a response to this, especially from the drumbeat of lefties who say over and over and over and over again (though they know it not to be true) that there are no ideas from the right. Well here you go, free market ideas to reform, improve, make less costly (Obamacare only does the first) healthcare for ALL Americans!
The only one who is dumb on this is issue is YOU.
A) the wholefoods guy is not a politician. He might be "from the right", but he has no influence on the laws that will be passed (though he has enough $ to probably buy some influence from those on the right). In short, those aren't REAL republican proposals put up for a vote.
B) How about the ACTUAL right-wing politicians who have had decades of power over the last 50 years to get something done on healthcare... what have they really done? NOTHING. NOTHING but block democrat proposals.
Yet, if you look at what the dems have proposed and passed this time around, these are the very same ideas that, or less radical ideas than, Republicans like Nixon and others were putting forth in the past, before "socialism" hysteria took over . This includes the 1993 REPUBLICAN proposal that John Chaffe and 19 other republicans put forth in response to clinton's plan.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Checking-In-With/Durenberger-1993-gop-bill-q-and-a.aspx(Nixon)
http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/richard-nixon-barack-obama-and-health-care/In other words: 1) when the repubs had a chance, they did NOTHING to improve healthcare, and 2) the current Obama plan that morons like you think is so extreme and crazy is very similar to past Republican plans.
C) the great, wonderful ideas Mackey states in his OP-ed have not been rigorously studied for their financial effects and effects on decreasing the uninsured as far as I know. Do you have a CBO report on "John Mackey's healthcare plan" ?? No, so just because it gives you a hard-on to read some typical right wing "proposals" on healthcare, doesn't mean you can tell me the effects they would have. I know, I know, they are more "free-market", therefore they would have super magical effects that bring cheap healthcare to all. Suuuure... But here is one take on those proposals:
"The ideas in there aren't interesting and aren't new. The archives of this blog contain plenty of posts explaining why, for instance, it wouldn't help matters for the federal government to declare it illegal for Arizona to mandate that insurers cover mammograms and diabetic care..... Mackey, playing to type, has offered a Whole Foods solution for health care: It makes the system even better for the rich and the young and the educated -- the sort of people who shop at Whole Foods, in other words -- and doesn't do a lot for those who really need help.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/08/what_health_care_can_learn_fro.htmlIn the USA 100 Million people don't have health insurance.
In the previous years when the Republicans controlled the house,senate and presidency, how many of these reforms were enacted? 1) HSA are good young healthy people (are not going to be using insurance anyway) making a decent salary (to get the tax break). They also have lead to people delaying getting care and skipping drugs due to cost. Maybe with 6, this would work better.3) doesn't work well in practice. Some small state will come up with laws (i.e. they will receive a pile of cash from insurance companies) that are highly favorable to the insurance company and they all move there. See the credit card industry4) This gets very tricky. Before long you either need to be an MD to decide if your plan is ok or the plan covers nothing. 5) Malpractice makes up less than 3% of health care costs. And yeah I think if your doctor chops off the wrong leg, he should be held liable for his mistakes6) This would be the key. I have had procedures (the same as far as I can tell) performed in 2 different locations. One was 2500 dollars. The other was 600. Both cost me 10 bucks.7) Keep government out of my medicare:) Other than the easy 80 billion a year in drug reform (i.e. stop paying retail when your buying in wholesale quanties) I am sure where medicare savings are coming from. A healthier population (i.e. diabetes/heart disease drop a lot in a nonObese, exercising population) will reduce some costs but a lot of that is just shifting (they die of cancer instead of a heart attack). Rationing care (i..e no transplants after 75) would save money but be hugely unpopular8) This is meaningless. Do we also add in lines for people needing to buy food, shelter and the rest? It would raise an insignificant amount of money
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Paranoia wrote:The TP/GOP is using paranoia to kill what we as a nation have done before during my career. We downsized the military and Aerospace industry in the 1980s after the collapse of the USSR. We automated businesses from the 1960s and on with computers and internet. HCR/HIR should be part of simple evolutionary process for efficiency and cost savings. But the TP/GOP has turned HCR/HIR into a ridiculous demonstration of their utter stupidity and lack of regard for the American people.
The utter stupidity is these liberal wack jobs who cling to the idea that a massive overhaul of our healhcare system under full government control is the only answer. All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments. Contrary to your miniscule thinking, the GOP has offered some of these these alternatives; however, Pelosi and Reid never allowed this to reach floor debates:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html1. Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs).
2. Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits.
3. Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.
4. Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.
5. Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.
6. Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor's visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost us?
7. Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.
8. Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
You are a complete and total buffoon. What is wrong with America is that there are so many ignorant fools like yourself. THAT is enemy #1. To wit-
Racehorse wrote:
The law was over-reaching. The system was not in need of such draconian change, but of regulatory changes like tort reform and allowing companies to compete for customers across state lines.
The law was NOT "over-reaching." Complete and utter bullshit. Overall, it was a very moderate plan in the end, that completely keeps in place the private insurance model. Read my other post (and click on links provided), and see how the evil "OBAMACARE" (gasp!) compares to past Republican ideas/plans of the 70's and 90's. It is less radical or very similar to those plans. But you won't read that info, because it might harm your head-in-the-sand, I've-got-my-talking-points/mind-made-up attitude, huh?
Racehorse wrote: Folks, when is the federal government going to figure out that they do not have enough Chinese governments available to keep lending us money. Enough of the deficit spending.
Hey, DINGBAT, the CBO scored Obamacare as having a LESSENING effect on the deficit. They predict it WILL DECREASE THE DEFICIT dummy. Oh yeah, but you don't care what they say, huh? They are just "dumb liberals", and Glenn Beck told you something contrary, correct? Whacko.
Racehorse wrote:For all of the problems Clinton had, at least he allowed the deficit to lessen instead of increase like the morons we have in office now.
God, you are hopeless. You are correct, under Clinton we had a big, fat surplus. What happened to that surplus, Einstein ? IT VANISHED UNDER REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. VANISHED. And WHY did it vanish.....? (drum roll please)
1) Unpaid for Bush Tax Cuts
2) Unpaid for Iraq War of Choice
3) Unpaid for Medicare Part D
4) COLLAPSED ECONOMY that happened on Bush's watch.
THOSE are the facts. And yet you are blaming it on Obamacare that hasn't even already taken effect, and that is estimated to decrease the deficit?!?!? You are flat out ignorant if this is your view.
Racehorse wrote:We are deserting our Judeo-christian heritage.
Translation: 'we elected a black, socialist, Muslim president, and THAT is why we are having all these problems!'
No, because I live in England and know the truth. What the f*** is "Investor's Business Daily" anyway - sounds like a made up pile of shit to me.
Better than a right-wing nutjob who is so patriotic that he doesn't even know his own country's history.
For shame.
How many americans are waiting for health care? I am betting over 830k. The question is how long are the waits and why (i.e. there are like 75k people waiting for kidneys. The limiting factor isn't the healthcare system).Wait times are not inherent with single payers or socialized medicine. France and Germany (among others) for example don't have the wait time issue.And remember canada pays about half what the US does for health care. If they choose to pay the same as the US, they would provide even better care.
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only me wrote:When you start with a lie it devalues the remainder of your post.
When you don't take the time to read the posted article, what does that make you?
In September 2009 as reported in Investor's Business Daily: "830,000 Canadians are currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment"... In England, the waiting list is 1.8 million."
Care to change your remarks?
"20 states ask federal judge in Florida to throw out Obama health care law without a full trial, they argue it violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties."