Honolulu Marathon radio coverage

D Monti,Thanks for the detailed posting. We are all on the same page that this was not fair racing. The debate on this page is whether this was deliberate. I spoke up and expressed that i thought it was not deliberate - because i felt that no one in there right mind will get in shape and run a marathon and 'drive close to the endge of the rules'. to jeopradise the win. Many examples of past infractions were provided as evidence.. but to me past indiscresions did not reach the level that was reached here. For some reason - the topic only came to light in the public at the Honolulu Marathon. Some people are saying that they will repeat this same offense again. This shows that they are just saying this out of hate for the couple... i.e. they truly believe that they are evil or something like that.I have dealings with both athletes ... they came to my race and they ran seperately. Its not a big race and they were very nice to me. I had no issues with how they run.Sisay, especially is a remarkably smart young man. He really impressed me with his asstuteness.I really think he needs guidance and the running community should give him a chance.. Sure he made a mistake but to say that he will do it again etc., is just too much of a streach.He has probably beaten some kids that are pissed and are using this against him. But that doesn't help. Better perhaps to spend time training than to undermine another persons character.

Stoned or stupid?

Sergio was the one that won.

Sisay was the one that pulled the punk move

trying to grab him as he ran by for the win.

Public school dropout?

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

So Ezkyas Sisay ran with her for 25 miles in Honolulu because he knew his presence would have no effect on her performance?

He was curious how she might do in her marathon debut, so he innocently tagged along?

If you believe that than I own the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and would be willing to sell it to you if you make me a reasonable offer.

Sergio finished turd~! he is a good turd

Yes we know we know. You are a skinny white boy with a napoleon complex that got beat by gebre. You consider yourself an elite athlete and Gebre kicking your ass with the help of Sisay touched your little ego. Maybe you can get your boyfriend to pace you too. I know he is pretty busy rumming his dick up your narrow ass! but he could take the time.. ungrateful bastard.Thanks for the insight fag!

I think they should both get death penalty for this.. what do you say rock star! You have to be f'n kidding me ... the morons on this forum are just f'n disturbing

holier than old socks wrote:

What religion are they?

Will they ever feel guilty or remorseful?

Catholics and Jews would be feeling real guilty right about now and Buddhists know that Instant Karma's gonna get you!

As good Christians we are supposed to forgive them for their sins.

Forgive them, for they know not what they've done.

Tis the season!

David,I agree without explicit rules these type of situations can arise. But blaming athletes that barely speak english of knowigly violating the rules is probably a sign of the growing resentment for african athletes in this country. Behind all this talk is the resentment that white runners are not doing well in the sport and you are threatened by a dread locked african runner among you. Solinsky is the great white hope.. ahhh give me a break!!! no its hall, no its rhitz no its Teg.. you guys are a bunch of little whiners its pathetic. I am from Jamaica... we experienced the same thing when Usain Bolt started knocking down the american sprinting core. First they said he was on drugs - then they said he was show boating too much..they were grasping to bring this man down - until they realized that this guy was the answer to what athletics needs the most... entertainment.I did a little research on Gebre... and do you know that she moved to the US in 2006 and that she will probably become a US citizen soon. This athlete could be maybe an olympian.. But nooo instead of coaching and developing athletes and providing guidance when they do something wrong.. We tear them apart and try to bury them..The entire purpose of this thread is to create a false sense of urgency to get both gebre and sisay dis-invited from races. Guess what.. you are going to look like fools when they show up with race numbers and beat the elite athletes that you invited.I know your environment- i have been there.. I know there is some racism there. I was once in a tent when an official from the NYC marathon made the following statement "another african wins the race - great - now i know nobody will care" this is the attitude that surrounds you. I was right there and this person is very high up. I was volunteering at the event and have not volunteered since.Lastly- I dedicate this video to you....david. Your budy Toni f***ing up in front of everyone.. It is clear that white folks have had this racism sickness for a long time. Maybe when china takes over the world.. - you will calm down. Who know?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhrPdkW1cE&feature=relatedgood luck beating the africans! but i doubt that your website will bring them down.

Kids on Christmas vacation...

that's what it has to be...

all this vitriol in their attempts to troll

all these claims of racism and hatred towards runners who have cheated and been rewarded for their innocent mistakes.

Yeah, we are the evil white man pointing out the facts

and you object to the simple truth of what happened, not in just one road race, but four road races!

Is it reverse racism or just ignorance when you claim we harbor this resentment towards a faster runner? You have some strangely pre-conceived notions as to what the motives are of the people pointing out the rules and the violation of those rules. I believe someone earlier stated that if a lily-white girl had done what Gebre had done we would still call her out for her accidently on-purpose achievements through inadvertant coaching and assistance and aid from Sisay or Chad and Jeremy or whoever her boyfriend might be.

Remember January 17th and that you should judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character and there have been more than a few characters posting on here displaying very little character or integrity.

Dirty Sanchez2 wrote:

is this sergio the spanish stallion! What the f bro..

you are complaining about getting held..

You are a weak little b*%ch!

big sur spectator wrote:

No, this is the Sergio Reyes you are bad mouthing...

The one who won the national marathon championships

at Twin Cities in October

U didn't call out Paula Radcliffe or even more obvious deena kastor who did the same thing. Sure there is a degree of difference- no two cases are alike but Clint verran paced kastor gave her a heads up when someone was closing in. nobody protested. But when it is an African doing it , it's the end to western civilization. So called civilizationThere is a double standard. We understand- no problem.... Just know that 6 kenyans and 18 ethiopians run under 2:26 this year.http://www.iaaf.org/news/kind=100/newsid=58973.htmlWhy am I mentioning this, because no matter how hard u try you will get crushed. Look at the Russians. Learn from them - they don't whine like little bitches like u guys. They have athletes that go out and train hard and win. In the US you just bitch and moan about this and that. Man up and run bitches instead of talking about rules some marathon in stupid Hawaii - who f***in cares. Nuffield said

Solinsky is the man. at least he is going for the 10 k world record. I admire him. Unless you believe in it u will never get there. At least he is not in a burger eating contest like Brian sell,

Solinsky is tough... He is not a little shrek like those other US runners

Dear david monti,Below i have provided two links where two prominent athletes were assisted in a similar manner. Brian Sell Dropped back to help paula. Weldon Johnoson provided splits and verran gave dena Kastor a heads up on the competition and gave coaching. Clearly this whole issue is motivated by hate against gebre and sisay and not on any merit what- so ever. It will be interesting what you find out. I don't expect much... Under this link .. http://www.spikesmag.com/features/pacingpaularadcliffe.aspxyou will find where weldon johnson and brian sell assisted paula radcliffe. i cut and pasted it from the article..below"The race organisers in Chicago basically wanted the world record. It looks bad to have a man right beside the women, running along. "They’re paying Paula a lot of money, you know, they don’t want me blocking the TV cameras. So you run off to the side. The day before, the weather changed and it was windy. We started out into the wind the first six miles, then we turned and had the wind at our backs for probably the next fourteen miles. "Catherine Ndereba was right on her, but she fell back. I stayed with Paula, and Brian Sell, who’s actually on the US Olympic marathon team this year, went back to help her. Then we turned back into the wind and it’s howling in our face. We’d been running 5.09 (mile splits) and I thought, okay, 5.15 or 5.20 won’t be a problem. We ran a 5.23 into the wind. She said to me, ‘what was that one?’ I said ‘5.23’ and she just yelled 'WHAAT?!' and she took off! nobody ever changed the rules because of this incident. David - did you right an article about this. Of coarse not.. Why shouldn't we africans be suspicious of you? and your website as well as the known racists on this forumClint Verran,Clint clearly paced and coached deena kastor in 2005 @ chicago again.See link below....During the final push, designated pacesetter Clint Verran appeared to tread the line between legal and illegal pacing - leading Kastor, encouraging her and, it appeared, providing information about how close Tomescu-Dita was getting. At press time, however, it appeared Tomescu-Dita would not protest the results.According to runners world he was her escort...http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-239-365--10625-0,00.htmlMy opinion - this is motivated by racism and jingoism. I am sure it will be left out of your article because you are not man enough to challenge paula and deena.

I've been around the sport for a long time, and men pacing/assisting women is hardly a new problem, and it's getting worse, not better. While big marathons with big budgets like Boston, London and New York can afford to hold separate men's and women's races which completely eliminates the problem, other events are embracing male pacing of women as a cheap and convenient way to help women achieve faster times. Recruiting a big women's field complete with qualified female pacemakers is expensive, while hiring men who can run 70-minute half-marathons can cost as little as a few thousand dollars.

For instance, at the Commerzbank Frankfurt Marathon last October, the organizer allowed the top women to all bring their own male pacers. So essentially, two-person teams were competing in the women's division, instead of women competing head to head. Did they help those women run faster? Without a doubt.

Others on this message board have mentioned cases where race organizers allowed men to either "guard" the women's lead pack (five men did that for Paula Radcliffe at Chicago in 2002, taking care not to run in front of her), or allowed men to pace women directly (seven Kenyan men were hired by the 2003 London Marathon to pace in the "all-women's" race where Paula Radcliffe ran the absolute world record of 2:15:25). Many writers were critical of those organizers at the time for employing those tactics.

Moreover, because of all of the difficulties with sorting out the pacing issues, the independent Association of Road Racing Statisticians no longer considers mixed-gender performances in road races for world records. That's already the case for track records where mixed-gender marks have never been acceptable for world records.

My own feeling about the situation in Honolulu is that every participant in a road race should have similar expectations about the competitive conditions that they will face. In Frankfurt, all of the top women knew that their rivals would have male pacers. In New York, the women all knew that there would be no pacers --male or female-- and that each competitor would be on her own.

In Honolulu, the women recruited for the competitive race did not expect to face a competitor who would have a personal escort who handed them drinks he carried on his body, would provide coaching, pick up cups and sponges from the side tables, provide splits, or tell them the location of their rivals in case they were catching up or pulling away. I thought it was unfair under the two USATF rules I previously referenced, but the race organizers did not. It was their call to uphold Gebre's victory.

The only real beef I have with Gebre and Sisay is that Sisay denied after the race that he ever had any intention of helping Gebre. His assertion that while wearing a full fuel belt he would try to contend for the podium against a field which included five men who had run sub-2:08 was laughable (I don't know how he said that with a straight face). Clearly, he was there to help Gebre.

Respectfully,

David Monti, Editor & Publisher

Race Results Weekly

Since 1994

P.S. "Race Director" please send me an e-mail at

d9monti@verizon.net

. Thanks.

Dave, thanks for the classy and well-informed response.

Has any woman broken 2:20 in a women-only marathon?

Thanks dave monti,

when you said that Sisay said that he was there to run for himself against 2:08 guys.. this statement is in contradiction with what he says in the interview.

http://www.kitv.com/video/26108240/detail.html

Here he says.. his injury the day before.. some sort of fall impacted his ability to run that morning.. Obviously he would rather run on his own and make more money. If he could he would have done it.

Based on this interview that he may have traveled there to maybe give it a go.. but changed his mind and decided to pace.

At big sur he made the decision mid race.. Here he made it the morning off (at best)

The other thing that the video shows is that they really struggle with english and did not understand most of the questions. Not sure it was deliberate..

For example.. she talks about drinking something or not taking any liquids.. she does not know what liquid is.

Athletes like this with no manager and no coach - can make mistakes...But the interesting thing is that they have done it before and race directors did not object.

Hey Bingo, let me help you get your cabeza out of your culo!

1. "he says"....yeah, that holds a LOT of weight. like i'd trust that guy. "some sort of fall"??? oh yeah, happens to me all the time, i fall the day before each race and miraculously can't run to optimum, but i CAN run juuuust fast enough to pace my gf...suure buddy.

2. he changed his mind?? no, his mind was made up weeks before even going bud.

3. big sur mid race decision? hahaha, laughable at best. sounds like he's been chastized before there, so he made sure the RD's couldn't see him pacing her (which obviously limited his pacing to 5mi or so)

4. I've seen him post race before. He DOES NOT struggle with english, he's quite well versed in english. obviously not his first langauge but he knows his way around in english just fine.

5. RD did not object? umm, sounds aiu contraire! sounds like LOTS of RD's don't like these shenanigans, but like monti said, they TECHNICALLY are not breaking any rules...yet.

oh, so getting back to the first item, reach between your legs, grab your ears....oh, you know the rest i'm sure.

The same people like u are the ones that are asking for Vick to die. Crazy white folks! Whenever blacks have success but do one thing wrong use that to take them down. We know this shit come on . U have done it /so many timesMohmmed Ali is a world hero but white America viewed him as a threat not an asset

http://www.detnews.com/article/20101229/SPORTS0101/12290412/1361/update/

If sissy and gebre were Ryan and Sara hall none of this would be said. But wait white folks do nothing bad. They are always as pure as the driven snow

F*** off will you

silly old fossil wrote:

Dave, thanks for the classy and well-informed response.

Has any woman broken 2:20 in a women-only marathon?

These are the fastest times all-time by women running in all-women's races without male pacemakers:

2:17:42, Paula Radcliffe (GBR), London, 17-Apr-2005

2:18:56, Paula Radcliffe (GBR), London, 14-Apr-2002

2:20:38, Zhou Chunxiu (CHN), London, 21-Apr-2007

2:20:57, Paula Radcliffe (GBR), WCA-Helsinki, 14-Aug-2005

Respectfully,

David Monti, Race Results Weekly

Bingo wrote:

Thanks dave monti,

when you said that Sisay said that he was there to run for himself against 2:08 guys.. this statement is in contradiction with what he says in the interview.

Here is the exerpt from my story. I recorded Sisay with a digital recorder:

"We need to drink PowerBar," he said referring to the energy drinks he carried. "Then, we shared our drink."

He then insisted that he was not in the race to pace Gebre, but was trying to compete in the men's division, instead.

"I came here, I wanted to finish top-3," he said. "This is my liquid. She asked me then, I gave her."

BTW, why would you even bring the Fuel Belt if it was not your intention to help somebody else? He could not possibly been competitive against the men wearing it...

DFM