In respect to the 45-49 age group.
1:59 will be lucky to get 6th in the 800 in Mens 40-44
In respect to the 45-49 age group.
1:59 will be lucky to get 6th in the 800 in Mens 40-44
Out of curiousity who are the top US runners in the 800m for the 40-44 age group and what were their best times last year?
Look at 2009 and 2010 rankings- indoor and out to get a better idea.
1:56 is pretty much tops in the last three years for men 45-49.
You might want to check the world rankings though.
Don't forget there are certainly some 39 years olds moving up and 44 years moving up to the next age group.
http://mastersathletics.net/they probably won't have the 2010 world rankings posted until Jan 2011
You could also search final results for the last 4-5 outdoor world champs and get an idea of what it would take to medal in each event. 1:55 is good bet for 40-44 but not guaranteed
Again it really depends on who shows up, who is healthy and how the tactics of the race play out.
Cheers Skate.
The USA men's 35-39 is a lot weaker than I expected it to be. I wonder how many new runners in that age group might lace them up again as the Champs are on home territory.
It would be a long way to travel if no one turned up!
If the Euros are any indication the 800's are likely to be fairly tactical so if you have good relative 400m speed you're in with a chance of a medal.
Often that is the case in 35-39, maybe one guys stands out. If they are really good, why show up? If one is a 4 minute miler- they won't race masters 35-39.
Anyway
Good point about tactics. In the 800 you may be looking at heats, followed by quarters and semis before a final.
I'm not sure if there are just 3 races or 4, but it pays to stay close and conservative through 600 and use your speed to grab a lane and qualify A 1:58 runner with great turnover and 200 all out speed may run the first heats in 2:03 just to get through, and maybe 2 flat 1:59 to make the final but even his semi-heat should be even splits.
All bets are off in the final though; guys will push hard from the start usually.
How is your training going this month?
[quote]Skate wrote:
Often that is the case in 35-39, maybe one guys stands out. If they are really good, why show up? If one is a 4 minute miler- they won't race masters 35-39.
Anyway
Good point about tactics. In the 800 you may be looking at heats, followed by quarters and semis before a final.
I'm not sure if there are just 3 races or 4, but it pays to stay close and conservative through 600 and use your speed to grab a lane and qualify A 1:58 runner with great turnover and 200 all out speed may run the first heats in 2:03 just to get through, and maybe 2 flat 1:59 to make the final but even his semi-heat should be even splits.
All bets are off in the final though; guys will push hard from the start usually.[/quot
So how much speed will i need to run 1:58 in Sac?
skate wrote:
http://www.mastersrankings.com/Look at 2009 and 2010 rankings- indoor and out to get a better idea.
1:56 is pretty much tops in the last three years for men 45-49.
You might want to check the world rankings though.
Don't forget there are certainly some 39 years olds moving up and 44 years moving up to the next age group.
http://mastersathletics.net/they probably won't have the 2010 world rankings posted until Jan 2011
You could also search final results for the last 4-5 outdoor world champs and get an idea of what it would take to medal in each event. 1:55 is good bet for 40-44 but not guaranteed
Again it really depends on who shows up, who is healthy and how the tactics of the race play out.
I think that Tony, Pete and John will also be healthy.
Won’t John and Tony be 49 next season?. At the top of that age group but no doubt medal contenders with a 1:58 possible.
Interesting to look back at the results from over 13 years ago:
1997 World champs 45-49 800 meters
1 lIarald Nygard 45 NOR1:58.05
2 CarlosCabral 45 POR 1:58.64
3 Yair Jarni 46 ISR 1:59.69
I don’t know where Nolan Shaheed was but he was ranked #1 in the US in that age group in 1:56.8 age 47 I believe.
The competition will be brutal next year at Sac, even if some Europeans decide to stay home.
Boy I was hoping in a few years at age 45 to run 2 flat. Guess that would be pretty good, but not good enough.
skate wrote:
Boy I was hoping in a few years at age 45 to run 2 flat. Guess that would be pretty good, but not good enough.
Skate, I would love to run under 2:10 in Sac.
I think the us will take the top three easy.
skate wrote:
http://www.mastersrankings.com/Look at 2009 and 2010 rankings- indoor and out to get a better idea.
1:56 is pretty much tops in the last three years for men 45-49.
You might want to check the world rankings though.
Don't forget there are certainly some 39 years olds moving up and 44 years moving up to the next age group.
http://mastersathletics.net/they probably won't have the 2010 world rankings posted until Jan 2011
You could also search final results for the last 4-5 outdoor world champs and get an idea of what it would take to medal in each event. 1:55 is good bet for 40-44 but not guaranteed
Again it really depends on who shows up, who is healthy and how the tactics of the race play out.
It's not many master runners under 1:58 in the world.
Ran my first 400 in 22 years. In the 40-44 group. Ran a 64. Very happy with that as it was on the end of 10 months training for my second half marathon.
Gave me hope I can run faster next masters games.
skate wrote:
Won’t John and Tony be 49 next season?. At the top of that age group but no doubt medal contenders with a 1:58 possible.
Interesting to look back at the results from over 13 years ago:
1997 World champs 45-49 800 meters
1 lIarald Nygard 45 NOR1:58.05
2 CarlosCabral 45 POR 1:58.64
3 Yair Jarni 46 ISR 1:59.69
I don’t know where Nolan Shaheed was but he was ranked #1 in the US in that age group in 1:56.8 age 47 I believe.
The competition will be brutal next year at Sac, even if some Europeans decide to stay home.
Boy I was hoping in a few years at age 45 to run 2 flat. Guess that would be pretty good, but not good enough.
Tony have the speed and endurance in the 800/1500 meters.
So my comment is about 200. As a former distance runner who could not break 27 at my peak I did ZERO sprint training for 25 yrs, just easy running 20 mpw sometimes. I went out a few weeks ago (30 lbs heavier)and after a few strides ran a standing start 31.5 timed independently. I was stunned, expecting like 40! Guarantee 25 yrs of sprint training may have got me 1-2 secs tops!
The moral seems to be that anyone above saying they did not train much may be overestimating what training will do in sprints.
I'm 54 by the way. In spite of being all slow twitch I seriously think I might be comparitively better at 8/1500 - the longer distances are so crowded.
Hoeey wrote:
I'm 54 by the way. In spite of being all slow twitch I seriously think I might be comparitively better at 8/1500 - the longer distances are so crowded.
Not with the times your talking about.
Org/Master wrote:
skate wrote:Won’t John and Tony be 49 next season?. At the top of that age group but no doubt medal contenders with a 1:58 possible.
Interesting to look back at the results from over 13 years ago:
1997 World champs 45-49 800 meters
1 lIarald Nygard 45 NOR1:58.05
2 CarlosCabral 45 POR 1:58.64
3 Yair Jarni 46 ISR 1:59.69
I don’t know where Nolan Shaheed was but he was ranked #1 in the US in that age group in 1:56.8 age 47 I believe.
The competition will be brutal next year at Sac, even if some Europeans decide to stay home.
Boy I was hoping in a few years at age 45 to run 2 flat. Guess that would be pretty good, but not good enough.
Tony have the speed and endurance in the 800/1500 meters.
What runner do you guys think will win the 800 and 1500 in Sac? I think Tony could if he stay in good shape.
Shaheed would have ran over the top three easy.
I can do a furlong in a fortnight.