With an Asterisk wrote:
What is his current PR? Didn't he run a 2:30? So I guess it is not too far away.
I could run 230s as workouts, which I did quite often back in the early 80s. However, I never got the 2:19:04 that I needed to qualify for the Trials. So....230 is far away from 220 or whatever the standard is for 2012.
I was 222 so near yet so far.. wrote:
With an Asterisk wrote:What is his current PR? Didn't he run a 2:30? So I guess it is not too far away.
I could run 230s as workouts, which I did quite often back in the early 80s. However, I never got the 2:19:04 that I needed to qualify for the Trials. So....230 is far away from 220 or whatever the standard is for 2012.
I'll second this. I won an ultra, a 40 miler, running it at 6:30 pace and as a lark. My best marathon time remains 2:27. Everyone has a line. For me it was around 5:25. Slower than that was easy. Faster than that was not. I could run up to a half at under that pace, but then... And I regularly got 6000+ miles in a year. So I had good endurance. Dean's background as a sub-elite ultra runner will not be enough. Not even close.
Aside from that, though, I'd like to see evidence that Dean really said this. Apologies if I missed it somewhere. If he did, then this, for him, is like the moment when McCarthy went after the pentagon for harboring communists. He will have officially jumped the shark and will have to look for real work in a bad economy. I guess it will be another example of the dialectic at work....
Dean ran 2:59 at NYC at age 45 after a strong of 50 marathons. He would run about 2:45 then completely maxed out and that's being very generous. He might have been a sub-2:35 type in his total prime if he trained perfectly for a marathon but that, too is being generous. I think, if DK trained for 5K, 10Ks, half-marathons and marathons in his prime, his PRs would be 16:15, 33:41, 1:15;11, 2:367.38, a decant club-level runner at best and that is being generous. I think this would be his ceiling.
I was 222 so near yet so far.. wrote:
With an Asterisk wrote:What is his current PR? Didn't he run a 2:30? So I guess it is not too far away.
I could run 230s as workouts, which I did quite often back in the early 80s. However, I never got the 2:19:04 that I needed to qualify for the Trials. So....230 is far away from 220 or whatever the standard is for 2012.
go dean, run baby run
Dean has done a lot for the running movement. I've read his books, seen him on tv, etc. and while he is a self promoter I do not think he is a fraud or a liar or a bad person like many on this thread contend. Competitor magazine gave him their "Endurance Athlete of The Year"; Men's Fitness gave him "Fittest Man on The Planet"; He's won an Emmy Award; He's won an ESPY Award; Time Magazine listed him as one of the top 100 most influential people in the world; He's won Badwater, Western States,Vermont Trail, Atacama Crossing, Dead President's, 4 Deserts, etc. To say there is no jealousy on this board is simply false. That is just human nature. It is like an ugly person being jealous of Steve Buscemi's career. :) But the truth is he can run longer than 95% of the people on this form and faster than 90%. The guy is almost 50 yet he's promoting running and fitness and being a torch bearer while many of you cast stones. He benefits the running industry and even yourselves through osmosis. You shouldn't belittle someone for making a living, especially when it helps other people in the long run. And he's a big Greek-American success story and hero too. True, he isn't an elite marathoner but in 2006 he crossed the finish line with Lance Armstrong in 3 hours and it was his 50th marathon in 50 days. Then he came back in 2007 and ran 2:55. And this is in his mid-40's talking to people and being an ambassador and not really "racing". The 2008 Olympic Trials for marathon had 16 finishers in the 2:30 to 2:43 range. 32 runners couldn't even finish, including Culpepper. I have no doubt that Dean could run a 2:43 if he tried, even at this age. There is no reason to badmouth the guy for going for something and testing himself.
Dean has done a lot for the running movement. I've read his books, seen him on tv, etc. and while he is a self promoter I do not think he is a fraud or a liar or a bad person like many on this thread contend. Competitor magazine gave him their "Endurance Athlete of The Year"; Men's Fitness gave him "Fittest Man on The Planet"; He's won an Emmy Award; He's won an ESPY Award; Time Magazine listed him as one of the top 100 most influential people in the world; He's won Badwater, Western States,Vermont Trail, Atacama Crossing, Dead President's, 4 Deserts, etc. To say there is no jealousy on this board is simply false. That is just human nature. It is like an ugly person being jealous of Steve Buscemi's career. :) But the truth is he can run longer than 95% of the people on this form and faster than 90%. The guy is almost 50 yet he's promoting running and fitness and being a torch bearer while many of you cast stones. He benefits the running industry and even yourselves through osmosis. You shouldn't belittle someone for making a living, especially when it helps other people in the long run. And he's a big Greek-American success story and hero too. True, he isn't an elite marathoner but in 2006 he crossed the finish line with Lance Armstrong in 3 hours and it was his 50th marathon in 50 days. Then he came back in 2007 and ran 2:55. And this is in his mid-40's talking to people and being an ambassador and not really "racing". The 2008 Olympic Trials for marathon had 16 finishers in the 2:30 to 2:43 range. 32 runners couldn't even finish, including Culpepper. I have no doubt that Dean could run a 2:43 if he tried, even at this age. There is no reason to badmouth the guy for going for something and testing himself.
Major Lazer wrote:
I really doubt he actually said that. A good troll effort here, though.
I wondered how long it would take for someone to realize. This one goes down in the troll hall of fame though.
This may be a troll thread but let's at least get the facts right. Dean has never won Western States. His best finish was 4th in 03 when he finished about an hour and 40 minutes behind Jurek.
I will give him Vermont and Badwater, although besides Jurek I can't think of an elite American ultrarunner that has bothered with Badwater. I will also acknowledge his 11 24 hour buckles as WS impressive.
Here are his 11 finishes at WS by year and place.
94,15
96,27
98,25
99,16
00,10
01,12
02,16
03,4
04,7
05,7
06,15
nice post - though i disagree with your assessment.
However, saying 32 Trails partipants (who clearly are sub 2:22 marathons because they qualified) could even finish is really a misrepresentation of the truth!!!!
they could finish, but chose not to...why? because this is the trails and only the top 3 or 4 spots matter - so once you have been dropped and are out of contention you are deciding whether to run for pride and finish or save it for another day.
I susupect the 32 non-finisher could have finished. and the 16 who went 2:30+ were just hanging on to finish more likely after going out much faster than normal (because they were likely trying to hang with the faster pace of the Olympic trials).
I was 222 so near yet so far.. wrote:
With an Asterisk wrote:What is his current PR? Didn't he run a 2:30? So I guess it is not too far away.
I could run 230s as workouts, which I did quite often back in the early 80s. However, I never got the 2:19:04 that I needed to qualify for the Trials. So....230 is far away from 220 or whatever the standard is for 2012.
I thought 2:19 was the new standard....If you ran 2:22 back in the 80's wouldn't you have qualified? Am I an idiot and missing something or are you a tool for lying on an anonymous message board?
I'm an idiot. Solid reading comprehension by my part. Well done me, well done.
yes- easy on culpepper, bro. That guy was a stud
There are not a lot of clean 48 year old men capable of sub 2:30 marathons; WAG:less than 50 Americans.
Dean ain't one of them.[/quote]
This is true. Eddy Hellebuyck made the trials at age 43, but he was a former 2:11 guy and on drugs to boot. And speaking from experience, there is a big drop off from age 43 to 49.
Just looking at race results, Dean is well past his prime even as an ultrarunner.
I don't think anyone, including Dean, really believes he will make the trails - but he is always good fodder for this forum.
Dean Karnazes has inspired me too. I am a fat lard butt but I am going to do some base mileage and then intervals this year to train to beat Chris Solinsky in the 5000 and 10000 next year and set the world record at the Olympic Games. That is now my dream. All you have to do is train hard and believe, believe, believe and it will all come true.
Dr. JJ wrote:
Dean has done a lot for the running movement. I've read his books, seen him on tv, etc. and while he is a self promoter I do not think he is a fraud or a liar or a bad person like many on this thread contend. Competitor magazine gave him their "Endurance Athlete of The Year"; Men's Fitness gave him "Fittest Man on The Planet"; He's won an Emmy Award; He's won an ESPY Award; Time Magazine listed him as one of the top 100 most influential people in the world; He's won Badwater, Western States,Vermont Trail, Atacama Crossing, Dead President's, 4 Deserts, etc. To say there is no jealousy on this board is simply false. That is just human nature. It is like an ugly person being jealous of Steve Buscemi's career. :) But the truth is he can run longer than 95% of the people on this form and faster than 90%. The guy is almost 50 yet he's promoting running and fitness and being a torch bearer while many of you cast stones. He benefits the running industry and even yourselves through osmosis. You shouldn't belittle someone for making a living, especially when it helps other people in the long run. And he's a big Greek-American success story and hero too. True, he isn't an elite marathoner but in 2006 he crossed the finish line with Lance Armstrong in 3 hours and it was his 50th marathon in 50 days. Then he came back in 2007 and ran 2:55. And this is in his mid-40's talking to people and being an ambassador and not really "racing". The 2008 Olympic Trials for marathon had 16 finishers in the 2:30 to 2:43 range. 32 runners couldn't even finish, including Culpepper. I have no doubt that Dean could run a 2:43 if he tried, even at this age. There is no reason to badmouth the guy for going for something and testing himself.
PS: You've accomplished some remarkable feats as it relates to long distance running. What's the next big challenge you have for yourself?
Dean: In the fall of 2011, I'm going to try to run a marathon in every country in the world in a one year period. The United Nations recognizes over 200 nations in the world and I plan on running in them all in a one year time period. This includes Afghanistan, North Korea, and places that aren't easy to get into, but I'm looking forward to the challenge and I think the world could use something like this.
So Dean claims, "In the fall of 2011, I'm going to try to run a marathon in every country in the world in a one year period. The United Nations recognizes over 200 nations in the world and I plan on running in them all in a one year time period. This includes Afghanistan, North Korea, and places that aren't easy to get into, but I'm looking forward to the challenge and I think the world could use something like this."
I predict Dean will be arrested and detained in North Korea or another one of those "places that aren't easy to get into," and the U.S. will have to send Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton on a highly publicized overseas trip (paid for by the U.S. taxpayer, of course) to bail his a-- out of prison. And, like Lisa Ling's sister, Dean will use the experience to cash in with a book deal. Yes, that's EXACTLY what the world could use right now.
Dr. JJ wrote:
The 2008 Olympic Trials for marathon had 16 finishers in the 2:30 to 2:43 range. 32 runners couldn't even finish, including Culpepper.
I'm guessing that you're a four-hour marathoner who collects marathon "finisher" t-shirts.
The Angry Taxpayer wrote:
So Dean claims, "In the fall of 2011, I'm going to try to run a marathon in every country in the world in a one year period. The United Nations recognizes over 200 nations in the world and I plan on running in them all in a one year time period. This includes Afghanistan, North Korea, and places that aren't easy to get into, but I'm looking forward to the challenge and I think the world could use something like this."
So he is gonna bail on the trials and run in every country instead?
Ahh amn.. I wanted to know how traing was going :(
For the record, Dean's official PR is 2:55:22 at NYC at 2007.
no, the trials are his "america" race....hahahaha!!!