You talk like he had flatlined for several years. Yes he made big jump, he also had been working his times down in the last couple years. So now any athlete who doesn't have a perfect linear progression is dirty? Well we could start calling out a lot of Americans while we're at it then...
I can't believe your that naive. "American distance runners" don't go running like shit for 8-9 years than in less than half a year all of a sudden start pumping out WL's and shit. This is like alan culpepper or med k running 26:40 10k's and 12:50 5k's all in FOUR months despite them never showing the ability to do so. And before your stupid ass say Ritz, let me tell you that Ritz took THIRD at the WJXC. So quite using him as an example. I mean honestly for seven consecutive years, Sanchez has NEVER broken 7:40 in the 3k and last year he ran a 7:45 and was barely on elite level status. Less than a footnote a lot would say. Then in less than five months he magically transforms his mediocre p.r's to world beating times and you feel it was done clean? Is that what your trying to tell me? Even though the record he broken 7:32.8x was performed by Alberto Garcia ( a proven PED USER) but yet Sergio's time is somehow legit? I fail to see why you believe Sergio Sanchez is clean. I know I'm being a cynical a-hole right now but after talking to some coaches and athletes over the years, you can see why.
Why is it that whenever someone runs a fast time, so many of you think the guy or gal is cheating? I didn't even take ibuprophen back in my faster days. I had a coach, Bill Squires who I worked with and he believed in me as did the New Balance Shoe Company, It's amazing when others start to believe in you, you start believing in yourself. It wasn't like I just broke onto the scene and ran 2:08, it was a steady progression. From my HS coach, to the two college coaches I had and then Coach Squires, I learned something from everyone of them. Each coach I had brought me to another level. I will tell you one thing, I would have never become the runner I did without each and everyone of them. It's fine to speak your mind, but you should also check out the facts before you start spouting off, that is how terrible rumors start!
Well said, Dick Beardsley. You are an inspiration, and I know when I competed, and when I trained hard and with a mission, I astounded myself with my results...and I wasn't quite as good as you.
Dick Beardsley wrote:
Why is it that whenever someone runs a fast time, so many of you think the guy or gal is cheating? I didn't even take ibuprophen back in my faster days. I had a coach, Bill Squires who I worked with and he believed in me as did the New Balance Shoe Company, It's amazing when others start to believe in you, you start believing in yourself. It wasn't like I just broke onto the scene and ran 2:08, it was a steady progression. From my HS coach, to the two college coaches I had and then Coach Squires, I learned something from everyone of them. Each coach I had brought me to another level. I will tell you one thing, I would have never become the runner I did without each and everyone of them. It's fine to speak your mind, but you should also check out the facts before you start spouting off, that is how terrible rumors start!
I did check up on my facts. Ever heard of Alberto Garcia? It's interesting whenever I bring up his name on this thread no one says anything. What's the matter? Afraid of the truth.
Your mentality is painful. You assume the only way someone approaches these times is through drug use. It that how you justify your own mediocrity? Figuring every world beater is on a "magic substance" and thus seperates them from you. Yes people take drugs, but it's not like its a necessary component to run a 7:30 or make a huge improvement.
I really wish Renato Canova would give his opinions.
No, not afraid of the truth, it just is not the damning evidence that you are claiming it to be. Alberto Garcia was a cheat. He tested positive.
Now using your correlation that because Sergio is from the same country as Alberto and he ran faster than him, he is most definitely a cheat does not hold water. You have no proof all you have is speculation. He has NEVER test positive as of yet and as far as anyone knows here he is not associated with any past dopers, trainers of past dopers, or suppliers that may implicate himself.
Is there a chance that he is a cheat, yes I will admit that. You have to almost say that about any athlete these days. But you cannot label someone as a cheat unless you have concrete evidence (drug tests, evidence he was buying, him associating with characters known for doping, etc), otherwise what you are doing is considered slander.
Right now all you have is speculation, no facts. Remember the phrase is “innocent until proven guilty.”
Right now all you have is speculation, no facts. Remember the phrase is “innocent until proven guilty.”[/quote]
I'll remember you when the truth comes up.
deanouk wrote:You're right. He doesn't look exhausted at all at the end, but then none of the greats looked that tired when they were on top form; Coe, Kipketer, EL G, etc.
We're talking about Sergio Sanchez.
That is sweet....I'm glad you will be thinking of me.
In all respect to your great running career Dick, and of those who you trained with, there are certain progressions/performance patterns who will always be the cause of suspicion. For instance, while no one suspects Jim Ryun to have ever touched anything more sinister than aspirin, there was/is considerable suspicion around the performances of Lasse Viren, and there always will be. On this board in recent years, suspicions cast on certain runners have turned out to be well-founded, the cases of Regina Jacobs, Marion Jones and Rashid Ramsey being most prominent.
Dick Beardsley wrote:
Why is it that whenever someone runs a fast time, so many of you think the guy or gal is cheating? I didn't even take ibuprophen back in my faster days. I had a coach, Bill Squires who I worked with and he believed in me as did the New Balance Shoe Company, It's amazing when others start to believe in you, you start believing in yourself. It wasn't like I just broke onto the scene and ran 2:08, it was a steady progression. From my HS coach, to the two college coaches I had and then Coach Squires, I learned something from everyone of them. Each coach I had brought me to another level. I will tell you one thing, I would have never become the runner I did without each and everyone of them. It's fine to speak your mind, but you should also check out the facts before you start spouting off, that is how terrible rumors start!
Dick Pound should hire Letsrun posters.
Sergio is clean and mad fast! End of the story!
Sergio is now a god in Spain!
You guys are f***in' funny... EPO won't make you 15 seconds faster over a 3000m in 4 months...
Come on! When you're already training hard, it would only make you a couple seconds faster over that distance... Just look up researches on PEDS use.
The guy trained harder obviously, changed his lifestyle and focus! That alone could explain a big improvement.
If he's on PEDS, then he might be a 7:34-7:35 runner without it... That's still VERY FAST!
You're all talking about how slow he was before... Damn... the guy ran 7:43... It's canadian outdoor NR. Sully had a hard time running 7:40 indoors... Sanchez wasn't THAT bad before.. the guy was a good runner from the get-go!
Let's get real... He might be on something, but PEDS can't explain everything here...
Don't worry. I just wanted to know Seb Coes winter potential at 3000m during his winter training period.
And it seems his formula gave 7.44. Just wondering
what he might have run 3000m when really peaking, like
in Rieti 86.
Common Sense once again wrote:
You guys are f***in' funny... EPO won't make you 15 seconds faster over a 3000m in 4 months...
Come on! When you're already training hard, it would only make you a couple seconds faster over that distance... Just look up researches on PEDS use.
The guy trained harder obviously, changed his lifestyle and focus! That alone could explain a big improvement.
If he's on PEDS, then he might be a 7:34-7:35 runner without it... That's still VERY FAST!
You're all talking about how slow he was before... Damn... the guy ran 7:43... It's canadian outdoor NR. Sully had a hard time running 7:40 indoors... Sanchez wasn't THAT bad before.. the guy was a good runner from the get-go!
Let's get real... He might be on something, but PEDS can't explain everything here...
I've read that EPO use (all over things being equal) is equivalent to approx. a 2% improvement in performance for a 1500m runner. That's about 4.5 secs for a 3:32 runner, or about 9 secs for a 7:43 3000m runner.
I think you are underestimating the effect it can have on these elite runners.
Sergio is not god in Spain. His lasts performances raises the same doubts that them raises here in letsrun. I hope he is clean, but ...
A god?
ha, ha, ha. He is not Rafael Nadal, Gasol or a soccer player.
Athletes are nobody in Spain these days. And besides, many remember what happened with Alberto Garcia and are having the same thoughts as many here in this thread, mainly because they dont want to be disapoointed again as with Alberto.
Sergio was since chidhood a rare talent. In the last 2-3 year he has finally centered and begun training seriously and continously (he has always been a bit hot-headed) and he is reaping the fruit now.
If Sergio is hardly known here in Spain, don´t expect that we or even he knows those american runners who someone mentioned earlier, Solinkski or such ones, and are jealous of them. As someonse else said if that Solinski would now show up out of the blue (for us and the world) and clock 7´32, here in Spain the reaction would be much the same as it is now in the states with Sergio, almost complete sureness of his guiltiness.
Perhaps it is much to be expected to put much trust in the athletes these days, but it hurts to see some judgmentes so ligthtly made on athetes that are you dont know anything about because they have progressed in foreign countries.
Sergio esta muy gay!