#101!!!
#101!!!
"Screwing over the rich guy".
Yeah. That is the way out system works. The rich get screwed.
How can you dupes be so damn naive?
Of course. Anyone who disagrees with anthing Rev Right believe should have to leave the country.
Typical right wing thinking, with the emotional maturity of a 2 year old.
Even those on the left would have to agree that things are better for everyone under a capitalist structure than they are under a socialist structure. There still might be poor people under both systems, but they are less poor with capitalism, and they have more amenities. Plus the rich are richer under capitalism, while the rich under socialism aren't very rich at all because the product of their efforts is continually taken away from them.
You can't look at it relatively, you have to look at it absolutely. Everyone is better off without socialism.
Not Freeze wrote:What technological advancements have arisen out of socialism? Can you name any? Compare whatever you can come up with to what has arisen out of capitalism. It's no contest.
Um, look up ARPANET. Without governmental funding there would be no internet. It took years before people were really able to leverage it into a profitable tool. Check out NASA too. Nuclear energy was a direct result of the Manhattan Project... another project that was initially socialized.
I'm sorry, but when looked at from a "how can I make money" perspective, many research projects are too risky for private investors to tackle. Many times private investors simply are focused on playing a zero sum game and that stifles long term progress.
Don't get me wrong, private sector innovation is a great and profitability may make things sustainable... but sometimes a communal investment without an inital focus on profitability is for the best.
Wealth is not accumulated through hard work; over history it has primarily been gatheed by means of war and theft. If wealth was the product of hard work alone then pure capitalism might, just might, work for a decade or so, but that would require redistribution of all that has been stolen over the years. Overall your points are week and 1-dimensional......
Please give one example where pure uncontaminated-by-the-evils-of-socialism capitalism has even existed and more so provided for humanity. All societies are collective ageements beween people which involve some level of regard for social welfare.
Mr. Price is right; most major advances occur though some form of collective effort at least.
Then some wealthly thief comes along and offers a cheap trade for societies hard work and claims he is a genius. Great real great....
It was accumulated through war and theft UNTIL 1750-1800, or about the time the US was gaining its independence. Note that the rise of capitalism and the rise of the industrial revolution happened at the same time. Coincidence? I think not.
Examples: TV, radio, trains, cars, airplanes, refridgeration, the assembly line method of production, most of your modern conveniences, etc etc.
And don't forget that the value of this country (the US) was very close to zero when the colonists came over. Man's mind and effort built this country and made it great and valuable - nothing else.
......and we just found all of these resources (including the land), free for the taking. Oh, and I forgot one key part of the list, theft, war and slavery. Again, 1-dimensional thinking by the far right (I admit this also exists on the far left, so don't feel the need to star ranting about one side or the other).
The point is you cant have pure capitalism, just like you can't have pure socialism. I'm still waiting for one example where raw untampered with capitalism has even existed and then gone on the benefit mankind........
The resources were always there, of course, but the previous inhabitants (the Indians) did very little to take advantage of what they had.
The resources only gained value when combined with man's mind. Without thought, those resources were in fact worth very close to zero. Every building you have ever been in inside the USA could not have been built without the benefit of man's mind and/or the profit motive.
I keep trying to steer clear of this thread (until I can read Sargin's article), but your argument is so off balance that it deserves an immediate response.
One, you equate Western expansionism with Capitalism. The two aren't one in the same. A very significant portion of the immigrants who came to America left Europe not to get rich but to create a better world.
Two, you equate Capitalism with the exploitation of resources. While you can make that argument it's not wise. If immediate profit is all that matters the other values like stewardship of the environment are ignored. In which case you have to defend actions like the one below:
http://rvtravel.com/blog/chuck/uploaded_images/Bison_skull_pile,_ca1870-772015.png
Still, they were not aquired through anything but war and theft. We did fight the native Ameicans, and we did take the land they lived on. There were also plenty of wars, such as the revolutionary war, that were used to amass resources. You can't justify pulling the gound from under peoples feet just because they aren't making the max profit off of that resource. A more intellient society, would prefer to conserve their resources to ensure survival of future generations, instead of living it up for a brief moment in time.
In the end, (1) you sill have not provided an example where pure capitalism has existed to the benefit of mankind, (2) and you seem to believe that property (more o less massive wealth) can be acquired without taking (stealing).
Two types of people, one assumes that the world exisits only for him and his enjoyment and the other realizes survival of species and planet depends on some level of modesty and concern for all.
"Easy. The "bottom 10%" of our capitalist society is INFINITELY better off than the "bottom 10%" of a socialist society".
Making up "facts" such as the assertion above to support your theories doesn't really hold water.
Sagarin can say less of value or interest with more pretentious buzzwords than any other poster on Let's Run.
Hands down.
