NEW Atlantic Region XC *2009* thread

Great post.

Did I say Lynch was the only one who can do that? No. I'll quote what I said, "As miracle posted John Lynch can make average runners good. He can prepare his runners to run at their best when they need to and when it counts most." I don't see he's the only one who can do this. Considering I was posting about a specific team I think it's fair to comment about the coach, wouldn't you? I didn't say that Plattsburgh and Lynch are the best, but I'm tired of people doubting them and saying they were a fluke last year.

On a more positive coaching note, does anyone know the new assistant coaches at Cortland? I believe both of the previous assistants left for higher profile jobs.

JT The Stache wrote:

Did I say Lynch was the only one who can do that? No. I'll quote what I said, "As miracle posted John Lynch can make average runners good. He can prepare his runners to run at their best when they need to and when it counts most." I don't see he's the only one who can do this. Considering I was posting about a specific team I think it's fair to comment about the coach, wouldn't you? I didn't say that Plattsburgh and Lynch are the best, but I'm tired of people doubting them and saying they were a fluke last year.

His point was that taking average runners and making them good isn't an uncommon trait among SUNYAC/Atlantic Region coaches.

JT The Stache wrote:

Did I say Lynch was the only one who can do that? No. I'll quote what I said, "As miracle posted John Lynch can make average runners good. He can prepare his runners to run at their best when they need to and when it counts most." I don't see he's the only one who can do this. Considering I was posting about a specific team I think it's fair to comment about the coach, wouldn't you? I didn't say that Plattsburgh and Lynch are the best, but I'm tired of people doubting them and saying they were a fluke last year.

You're making it worse for yourself and your team. At least Ben Jackson had the balls to admit he was on the Plattsburgh team. Both of those posts made you sound like a defensive 7 year old trying to tell a story about himself by talking about "his friend." Enough. By posting about "a" specific team you mean "your" specific team. We get it, you're defending your team. Poorly, but fine. Trying to act like you're some objective third party though, defending Platts is just moronic. Come on dude.

At least Lynch hasn't taken amazing talent and made them mediocre like other teams cough cough RIT cough cough SUNY G.

coloradostuddmuffin wrote:

At least Lynch hasn't taken amazing talent and made them mediocre like other teams cough cough RIT cough cough SUNY G.

I can see SUNY G, but RIT isn't exactly pulling a ton of talent. Burdick and...

What about the girls?Last year again Lynch trained a 20th place winner in nys high school section4, to a top ten all-american.Just lucky I guess.

Now now boys...

Besides the one person on here who decided to be bold enough to use his own name, everyone else is having an anonymous petty argument. No one believes Plattsburgh is better than anyone else. All of the teams mentioned (Cortland, RIT, Geneseo, NYU, etc) are all strong teams and have all had strong showings at the regional and national level over the past few years. Why does everyone feel the need to defend themselves on this board? Summer is just about the most valuable time you have to be training. Spending half of the day on this board defending your team/coach isn't going to get you where you want to be. I was about as rock bottom as you could get as a freshman runner. One can brag all day about how good his/her team or coach is...but in the end I know that I didn't earn all American by worrying about which nameless runner was bashing my team or which schools respected mine or not. I do not consider myself to be a good runner by any means; however, I can tell you from experience that I see the best results when I do my talking with my feet during the summer. There's no reason to feel the need to defend yourself or your team if you show up in November with the sweat and blood behind you. I'd rather show than tell...

Good luck everyone.

I'm interested to see more thoughts on the women's side. Speaking of outperforming the rankings, I think that the only top-ten ranking the NYU women received last fall was in the Regional results, which of course is the place to do it.

I remember, though, that it took Nick McDonough a few years to get a men's team to the NCAA meet; wouldn't be surprised if that were true for the Violet women, as well. Given the perennial strength of the Upstate NY (and TCNJ) women's teams, does it look like NYU has a realistic shot at a top-seven finish this year?

coloradostuddmuffin wrote:

At least Lynch hasn't taken amazing talent and made them mediocre like other teams cough cough RIT cough cough SUNY G.

SUNY G? I can see Lee Berube, but I heard from someone on the Geneseo team that he had anemia this past year (take that as you will). Plus it's not uncommon for freshman to struggle their first year.

As for some of their other big recruits, Jesse Berube ran 15:05 in an indoor 5k, Lee Gabler has gone 4:19 for the full mile, Ryan O'Connor has gone 14:50's for the 5k. I can't really think of any other big name recruits, and all those guys have definetly improved since high school.

This is all pointless bickering. If you actually believe the coaches make the athletes you're a moron. The environment, the team atmosphere and the individuals talent and motivation make the athlete and hence make the team.

Obviously all the teams that have been in the top ten for years have good coaches, good schools and good runners.

How many guys does SUNY G get every year that are 9:50-10:10 type guys in HS run in two meets, and then drop out of running altogether? A typical Geneseo recruiting class has 3-6 top quality DIII guys and most of them never pan out or even make it through 4 years of running. Geneseo usually has a good team, but they get far and away the deepest classes every year too.

moloradocudstuffin wrote:

How many guys does SUNY G get every year that are 9:50-10:10 type guys in HS run in two meets, and then drop out of running altogether? A typical Geneseo recruiting class has 3-6 top quality DIII guys and most of them never pan out or even make it through 4 years of running. Geneseo usually has a good team, but they get far and away the deepest classes every year too.

that probably has more to do with geneseo academics than the program itself...

Anyone wanna get back on track and post some summer race results from runners within the region?

how do you spell add? wrote:

Anyone wanna get back on track and post some summer race results from runners within the region?

The Jenny Kuzma race in early August should have some good talent from Fredonia, Geneseo, and Brockport lining up against each other and along side a historically competitive field.

Jen5K wrote:

The Jenny Kuzma race in early August should have some good talent from Fredonia, Geneseo, and Brockport lining up against each other and along side a historically competitive field.

also i'm sure there will be people at the Silks and Satins in saratoga on august 1st.

<---- Some SLU guys ran the Stowe 8 miler. I saw Jake Malcomb and Andrew Goodwin. I assume some others were there but I didn't look.

With all do respect to Suny Geneseo, which I know is a good school, I have to laugh at what you said. If Geneseo really loses that many runners I doubt it's because of the intense class load. More likely it's because they can't balance school and training hard, or equally likely partying hard. We aren't talking about Harvard or MIT here. From what I've heard, I would have to say it's a mix of hard training and partying, which I tip my hat too.

Also Geneseo gets some nice recruits almost every year.

Wasn't Mark Streb like a 4:15/1:55 guy in hs? I also heard Gabler ran sub 2:30 for the k. If true, those are REAL good recruits.