Wyner

that is one of the most fail statements i have ever heard. the ivy league is more intelligent than you and probably more athletic too. ouch.

and for all recent conference meets since it is in their nature to be as much

Not sure where this sentiment is coming from.

I've never noticed Dartmouth to be more vocal than any other team. Particularly, Cornell with their "CU" chants and their team which is somehow always 2x bigger than anyone elses.

If Wyner had been black, ooops, a person of color, I guarantee you no one would have dared to DQ him.

I was not at the race and I have not read the Heps rule book, but I did watch the vid a couple of times and perhaps it does not tell the whole story. What I saw was an athlete celebrating a victory and acknowling the crowd, he was not taunting or impeding the progress of other runners, which in mind are the most important factors to consider a DQ.

Where can I write to express my concern about the decision? I know this might be a sensitive issue as a coach, but you are not initiating this action, you are simply responding to a request for contact information. - TrackCoach

Cornell can be loud, particularly with a cheer as simple as "CU". I've only really noticed the "CU" cheer during the relays since that is when the majority of the team can get together to cheer.Dartmouth's cheers are longer, more detailed ("When Dartmouth Green comes marching in, when Dartmouth Green comes marching in... (I forget the rest of the cheer)"), and more frequent during the meet.

gringo Star wrote:

I've never noticed Dartmouth to be more vocal than any other team. Particularly, Cornell with their "CU" chants and their team which is somehow always 2x bigger than anyone elses.

For the last time. He bowed to the crowd booing him. It was a reaction from a guy who is outgoing and not afraid to defend himself. He bowed to the crowd booing him. The fans were pathetic and poor losers. The crowd booed him. That is the poor sportsmanship. The loser crowd booed. The celebration of him going across the finish is done by runners all the time. I'll mention it again, Rupp has never been DQ'd for celebrating. More people hate him than Wyner, I'm sure. Most people don't know who Wyner is. The crowd booed him. That was the problem. This is becoming the dumbest thread I've ever read. Anyone who thinks he should have been DQ'd is a sore loser or is an A-hole themselves.

THE CROWD BOOED HIM. HE REACTED.

I can't believe he was DQ'ed! I was not there but watched the video.I met Jimmy before, found him to be a very good kid.When I was a freshman at Bucknell in 1983 we were in the then ECC (East Coast Conference). Lasalle was in it's last conference meet with us before going to the A-10. We were losing going into the 5K (the next to last race of the meet) and we swept the top 4 places. We were going crazy cheering, waving orange towels, chanting BU. Evidently there was some rule on the books against "organized encouragement"!!! Our 4 guys got DQ'ed and Lasalle won the meet. They celebrated by throwing their coach into the water pit after the meet. It is very sad when officials take things away from kids that worked so hard for something.

I'd also like to know who I should contact about this. Does anyone know?

This is an occasion of extreme shame for the Ivy League, of which I was once an insignificant part. And the shame is not Wyner's...it's the shame of the officials who made this idiotic decision. This is not kindergarten, people. Or maybe it is.

The most absurd thing is that Miller, the other Cornell guy who shoved the race leader so hard that he fell and dropped out, did not get DQed (unless he did, which I hope is the case).

If someone should get DQed, it's Miller, not Wyner. Officials can be such assholes.

I Amirault tried to drop out to the outside and clipped Miller?

amirault was pacing the race(or more specifically maag) because he fairs better in faster races. instead of dropping out to the inside of the track he tried to go outside and got tripped.

That seems like an odd tactic - Maag is a stud and doesn't need pacing to be competitive. I think he may well have faired better in more of a RACE. A rabbit in there to take it out slower than some of the field's PR pace isn't exactly going to prevent a kick.... and Maag has a great kick!

TrackCoach wrote:

I was not at the race and I have not read the Heps rule book, but I did watch the vid a couple of times and perhaps it does not tell the whole story. What I saw was an athlete celebrating a victory and acknowling the crowd, he was not taunting or impeding the progress of other runners, which in mind are the most important factors to consider a DQ.

Where can I write to express my concern about the decision? I know this might be a sensitive issue as a coach, but you are not initiating this action, you are simply responding to a request for contact information. - TrackCoach

As Wejo has said above it was much more shocking when viewed from the field level rather than from the remote camera position. All the coaches from the other schools near the finish line were completely shocked at his behavior (including at least one from Cornell). If you want to contact someone try the guys who made the decision Mel Rosen, Harry Groves or Mark Kostek.

Coach Taylor did not challenge their decision.

holla day wrote:

The most absurd thing is that Miller, the other Cornell guy who shoved the race leader so hard that he fell and dropped out, did not get DQed (unless he did, which I hope is the case).

If someone should get DQed, it's Miller, not Wyner. Officials can be such assholes.

Are you serious? Miller did nothing wrong. From Miller's perspective, this random Princeton guy is leading the race, all of a sudden steps in front of him, tries to trip him up, and then drops out. It almost looked like it was Princeton's strategy to take Miller out of the race. Of course this isn't true, but there is NO way that Miller did anything wrong.

How can Samara justify throwing a kid out for unsportsmanlike conduct in the same race he qualified a kid specifically to rabbit his top guy? It's a pretty slippery slope.

Celebrating is fine, especially when you have a big lead coming to the line etc.

However, this dickhead had barely passed everyone and immediately started throwing up the one stick and celebrating. It looked like it was done to rub it in the faces of the other competitors by doing it so soon. If you didn't want to rub it in like that, you would wait a bit.

If I was one of the other guys in the race, I would sure have been pissed about it and thought it was intended to be disrespectful.

He may have been bowing to the crowd, but it was right in the direction of the other runners and you can't really tell who it was actually intended for.

If he was really just celebrating, why didn't he comeback to congratulate some of the other competitors, shake hands etc. He was trying to be a dick, hence the reason he ran off right away after...

Harry hates that Shit. I'm not surprised he dq'd him.

Whether or not he warranted the dq, I think it was definitely intended as a taunt. I lost any respect I had for the guy. DoucheBag!

He celebrated because he had the race well in hand. He won by a full second, we're talking more than 20feet here.

Tigerfan wrote:

Coach Taylor did not challenge their decision.

This is pretty much all that needs to be said. If the Cornell coaching staff felt the DQ was unwarranted, they would have appealed the DQ. They didn't.