That looks like the most pathetic championship XC course I've ever seen. Running on roads, and finishing on the track?
That looks like the most pathetic championship XC course I've ever seen. Running on roads, and finishing on the track?
It's the look of wearing your shorts right at your pubic line. HS girls think it's cool. It has nothing to do with ill fitting uniforms.
Take a look, they wear the shorts they purchase for themselves(brand new not school issued) the same way so the coaches argument is a wasted one.
Wearing shorts rolled is = to wearing your pants half way down you butt and your briefs around your hips.
As for briefs they ride higher than rolled shorts, unless of course as you can see in many pics they are rolled inward and down.
I think it's rather amusing that all these kids have adults so lost in translation :)
you mean roll the top waistband down, and then pull up on the shorts to show more butt and pubic area tan line? is that what the controversy is all about ? is that all ? what a bunch of puritans ! effing goddamn disgusting in this day and age ;-)
higher up ? wrote:
you mean roll the top waistband down, and then pull up on the shorts to show more butt and pubic area tan line? is that what the controversy is all about ? is that all ? what a bunch of puritans ! effing goddamn disgusting in this day and age ;-)
I haven't seen this at any of the meets I've attending this year. Tan lines are so 80's anyway...
This does not surprise me. Here in SC we have rules that are enforced. Girls --- midriffs can not be shown. If the uniform goes up then we overlook it. No rolling down the bottoms. The coach should have known this. Underwear has to be of a solid color. In xc, if one person has the half tights on under their uniform it has to be of one color and all of the team has to wear them. I know these rules are stupid but they are made and we have to enforce them. What advantage does multicolor underwear give someone???? I would like to know. One year at the offseason coaches meeting we talked about underwear for over an hour. CRAZY. Some people need to get a clue and get a life. Line them up and let them run in uniforms. Get rid of the stupid crap that makes our simple sport more complicated.
I thought the whole idea of solid colored uniforms, and I guess underwear, was for identification in case of a close finish. At least I thought I remembered someone else stating such on another thread.
If you look up the Utah cross-country results (dyestat or runnercard.com) you find Shalaya Kipp DQ'd, no reason is given but you can find a newspapter article on it if you look for it, Deseret News, not Salt Lake Trib.
There's the article. Click onto the photo gallery and you'll find a couple of pictures (and on the 7th & 8th pictures) you'll see her (#755). Looks like an inch of midriff was showing on one of the pictures. They are being quite picky in their enforcement.
This has to be an inside hack job that goes far back, the parents, coaches, or some grudge. It couldn't possibly be some prude who doesn't want girls showing what they've got.
Can the coaches have the DQ appealed and thrown out ?
What about hiring Robert Shapiro to sue David Wilkey (the alleged official) and the state federation ?
i had my shorts rolled down at state. I didn't get dq'd..and i won state.
If you think that the waist band issue is bad, check this one out...
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ccb/2008-09/sleeves.htm
Illinois officials are out to ban arm-panties as well.
any wonder why the sport is dying?
MA Coach wrote:
The bottom line is that the rule is in place, the coach and athlete should know the rule, and at a championship meet, it will probably be called. The same rules exist in every sport. Football, soccer, baseball players all have uniform rules. Why do we feel that the existing rules should not apply in our sport? These rules aren't just made up by a bunch of old people with limited experience. They are usually made by a group of people who have a lifetime of experience in the sport, and are trying to keep our sport consistent and respected. I have spent 35 years in Cross Country and Track, as an athlete, a coach in high school and college, and as an official. In our sport, we get upset when we're not treated like the other "major" sports, but then we can't understand why people don't allow us to act different than the other sports. In every sport, if you break a rule, you are penalized. It's easy to avoid the penalty. Follow the rules.
[quote]urovermyknee wrote:
any wonder why the sport is dying?
Actually, at the high school level the sport is far from dying. Participation numbers are way up (and that even takes into account the increase in high school aged population). Depth of competition, especially in the girls, is way up as well.
In some ways, these rules come about WHEN a sport reaches the big time. If no one cares about running, then sure, wear whatever you want, screw around on the course, no big deal. But now the competition is deemed important, then everyone needs to follow the same set of rules.
I just spent the entire weekend listening to parents and players complaining about referees' calls at my son's soccer tournament. The referees were fine, just doing their jobs, but everyone whined when things didn't go exactly their way. They were all focused on the interpretation of the rules, instead of the quality of play.
This is the opposite end of the continuum. Officials in XC and track appear to be worried about the inconsequential, when the athletes, for the most part, just want to train and compete. I love running because of its simplicity: train, then run from point A to point B as fast as you can cover the distance.
Why do adminitrators and officials have to screw up that simple competitive pursuit?
I will ban any athlete for thought crime at any XC or track meet I offciate.
terps wrote:
Why do adminitrators and officials have to screw up that simple competitive pursuit?
Do you realize that ALL sports have these uniform rules and all high school sports (under NFHS) follow the same jewelry rule? The real question is why can athletes in other sports handle these requirements but runners can't?
Bling wrote:
terps wrote:Why do adminitrators and officials have to screw up that simple competitive pursuit?
Do you realize that ALL sports have these uniform rules and all high school sports (under NFHS) follow the same jewelry rule? The real question is why can athletes in other sports handle these requirements but runners can't?
Yet only in Track and Cross Country is the death penalty applied to the competitors. What type of public outcry would there be if every basketball player was ejected for "not wearing their shorts as intended by the manufacturer" or whatever the ill-worded and often misinterpreted rule is?
I do realize that. The poster above, et al., have pointed out the exaggerated nature of the penalty for having one's midrift become exposed while fighting to the line, or forgeting to remove one's livestrong bracelet. My kid was told to tuck in his shirt during the run of play in a soccer game this weekend, and he did so, as people chuckled. He didn't get a red card, and wasn't banished from the tournament, for failing to wear his uniform as the manufacturer intended.
I went to high school in the '80s, and won state championships in soccer and track, and no one had complete, matching uniforms, never mind uniforms that fit, and we were in Montgomery County, MD, one of those well-healed suburbs in America. No one cared- neither the athletes, the coaches, the school administrators, the officials, no one. We just wore what they gave us, and substituted similar colored shorts or socks that fit. If it was cold, we wore whatever we could find underneath. I guess I should dig my old medals out of the closet and give them back to the state association. I feel guilty now that we didn't follow the rules.
With all the discussion on this site and the Desert News Web Site listed above...any chance there will be changes made to this Rule or interpretation of it?
RunningPT12 wrote:
If you think that the waist band issue is bad, check this one out...
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ccb/2008-09/sleeves.htmIllinois officials are out to ban arm-panties as well.
Wow, that sucks. Arm warmers are great. It seems like these people just sit around and try to come up with ridiculous rules that really have no bearing on the sport in terms of improvement or making the competition fair.