i'm not sure who 'Wa Wa' is referring to in this one...but if he only knew. me personally, i turned hansons down, not vice versa. not sure bout everyone else here. i see no jealousy, just a shady situation.
Wah Wah wrote:
asdf,
Obviously the Hansons told you you weren't good enough to be a part of things. It is the only explanation for your frustration and jealousy.
Hansons,
Great decision to leave this loser out of things.
Maybe Sell and Rosario can go to the US Horseshoes trials. At least they'll get credit there for getting close.
so are they in?? i mean right or wrong, why are we bothering to discuss if they're in already??
Sell isn't on the A and Rosario isn't on it at all on this list from the USATF site and that's all that matters. So I would say NO they aren't "in" yet.
Rk Time Std Name Race Date Hometown State
1 2:05:38 A Khalid Khannouchi Flora London 04/14/02 Ossining NY
2:05:56 A Khalid Khannouchi (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Ossining NY
2 2:09:41 A Alan Culpepper LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Louisville CO
3 2:10:03 A Meb Keflezighi LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Mammoth Lakes CA
4 2:11:35 A Dan Browne Twin Cities 09/29/02 Portland OR
2:12:35 A Meb Keflezighi (2) New York City 11/03/02 Mammoth Lakes CA
5 2:12:47 A Eddy Hellebuyck Twin Cities 10/05/03 Albuquerque NM
6 2:12:51a A Jimmy Hearld Motorola Austin 02/16/03 Louisville KY
7 2:13:18a A Rod DeHaven California Int'l 12/08/02 Madison WI
8 2:13:28a A Keith Dowling Boston 04/15/02 Reston VA
9 2:14:13 A Kyle Baker LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Mason MI
10 2:14:15 A Brad Hauser Twin Cities 09/29/02 Palo Alto CA
11 2:14:17 A Clint Verran LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Rochester Hills MI
2:14:22 A Keith Dowling (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Reston VA
12 2:14:29a A Ryan Shay USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 East Jordan MI
2:14:30 A Ryan Shay (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 East Jordan MI
13 2:14:41 A Peter De La Cerda LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Alamosa CO
14 2:15:01 A Josh Cox LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 El Cajon CA
2:15:03 A Brad Hauser (2) Lake Biwa Mainichi 03/02/03 Palo Alto CA
15 2:15:11 A Todd Reeser LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Rochester NY
16 2:15:13 A Jim Jurcevich Columbus 10/19/03 Dublin OH
2:15:19a A Clint Verran (2) Boston 04/15/02 Rochester Hills MI
17 2:15:26 A Scott Larson New York City 11/04/01 Boulder CO
18 2:15:27 A David Morris Twin Cities 09/29/02 Albuquerque NM
19 2:15:32a A Kevin Collins USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Craryville NY
2:15:38 A Kevin Collins (2) World Championships 08/30/03 Craryville NY
2:15:52a A Clint Verran (3) USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Rochester Hills MI
20 2:16:00a A Teddy Mitchell Grandma's 06/21/03 Albuquerque NM
2:16:18 A Jim Jurcevich (2) Twin Cities 09/29/02 Columbus OH
21 2:16:24a A Filomeno Apodaca St. George 10/05/02 Las Cruces NM
22 2:16:26a A Jeff Campbell USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Rochester Hills MI
23 2:16:27 A Greg Jimmerson Twin Cities 09/29/02 Los Altos CA
24 2:16:36a A Scott Goff Grandma's 06/21/03 Boulder CO
2:16:42 A Clint Verran (4) World Championships 08/30/03 Rochester Hills MI
25 2:16:52a A Scott Strand USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Birmingham AL
2:17:12 A Todd Reeser (2) Twin Cities 09/29/02 Canandaigua NY
26 2:17:15a A Brian Clas USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 New York NY
2:17:18a A Eddy Hellebuyck (2) Boston 04/21/03 Albuquerque NM
2:17:20 A Clint Verran (5) New York City 11/04/01 Rochester Hills MI
27 2:17:29 A Ronnie Holassie Toyota Prius Miami Tropical 02/03/03 Miramar FL
2:17:31a A Kevin Collins (3) Valley of the Sun 03/10/02 Cicero NY
28 2:17:33 A Peter Gilmore LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Menlo Park CA
29 2:17:35a A Mark Coogan Boston 04/15/02 Madison WI
30 2:17:54 A Mike Donnelly LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Portland OR
31 2:18:08 A Chris Lundstrom New York City 11/04/01 St. Paul MN
32 2:18:10 A Weldon Johnson LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Flagstaff AZ
2:18:17 A Jim Jurcevich (3) Columbus 10/20/02 Columbus OH
2:18:17 A Keith Dowling (3) World Championships 08/30/03 Reston VA
33 2:18:24 A Jason Lehmkuhle LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 St. Paul MN
2:18:25 A Peter De La Cerda (2) City of Los Angeles 03/03/02 Alamosa CO
34 2:18:27 A Jason Mayeroff Berlin 09/29/02 Bangkok THA
35 2:18:29 A Shawn Found New York City 11/04/01 Boulder CO
36 2:18:45a A Chris Graff USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Palo Alto CA
37 2:18:47a A Greg Wenneborg Motorola Austin 02/17/02 Tucson AZ
38 2:18:48 A Matt Downin ING New York City 11/02/03 La Jolla CA
39 2:18:48a A Curtis Moore St. George 10/05/02 Riverton UT
40 2:18:52a A Chris Banks USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Alexandria VA
41 2:18:52a A Scott Nicholas Grandma's 06/22/02 Portland OR
42 2:18:52a A Art Siemers California Int'l 12/08/02 Arvada CO
43 2:19:01 A Fred Kieser Columbus 10/19/03 Lakewood OH
44 2:19:03a A Chris Wehrman Boston 04/15/02 Chicago IL
45 2:19:08 A Peter Julian UPMC/Pittsburgh 05/05/02 Atherton CA
2:19:10 A Keith Dowling (4) New York City 11/04/01 Reston VA
46 2:19:12 A Richard Byrne LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Sciota PA
47 2:19:30 A Mike Franko Bayshore 05/25/02 Pflugerville TX
48 2:19:31P A Peter Clusener LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Arcata CA
49 2:19:34 A Darrell General Philadelphia 11/24/02 Mitchellville MD
2:19:35 A Josh Cox (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 El Cajon CA
2:19:37 A Dan Browne (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Portland OR
50 2:19:38 A Joseph Mahoney LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Madison WI
51 2:19:44P A Steve Moreno LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Oakland CA
2:19:55a A Kyle Baker (2) USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Mason MI
2:19:59 A Eddy Hellebuyck (3) Twin Cities 09/29/02 Albuquerque NM
52 2:19:59a A Carl Rundell USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Birmingham MI
53 2:20:01 B Brian Sell LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Rochester Hills MI
54 2:20:04a B Ian Solof California Int'l 12/08/02 Portland OR
2:20:05 B Carl Rundell (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Rochester Hills MI
55 2:20:09a B Eric Mack Grandma's 06/21/03 Boulder CO
56 2:20:12 B Phillimon Hanneck ING New York City 11/02/03 Clackamas OR
57 2:20:18P B Kevin Taylor LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Raleigh NC
2:20:20 B Darrell General (2) New York City 11/04/01 Mitchellville MD
58 2:20:20a B Bob Busquaert Grandma's 06/21/03 Romeo MI
2:20:24 B Kevin Collins (4) New York City 11/04/01 Cicero NY
59 2:20:26a B John Dimoff California Int'l 12/08/02 Portland OR
60 2:20:29P B Mike Dudley Detroit Free Press/Flagstar Bank 10/05/03 Kennesaw GA
2:20:33 B Chris Wehrman (2) Twin Cities 09/29/02 Chicago IL
61 2:20:35aP B Trevor Pettingill St. George 10/04/03 Salt Lake City UT
62 2:20:35P B Nick Cordes LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Rochester Hills MI
2:20:36 B Chris Wehrman (3) Cellcom Green Bay 05/18/03 Chicago IL
63 2:20:38 B Peter Sherry New York City 11/04/01 Great Falls VA
64 2:20:42 B Tom McGlynn LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Burlingame CA
65 2:20:43a B Patrick Muturi Grandma's 06/21/03 Lafayette CO
2:20:45a B Fred Kieser (2) USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Lakewood OH
66 2:20:46P B Nick Gramsky LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 McLean VA
67 2:20:48aP B Ken Pliska St. George 10/04/03 Littleton MA
68 2:20:51a B James McGown USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Shelton NE
69 2:20:55 B Brantley Lutz Twin Cities 09/29/02 Albuquerque NM
2:20:56 B Fred Kieser (3) Detroit Free Press/Flagstar Bank 10/06/02 Lakewood OH
70 2:20:59 B Ryan Meissen Twin Cities 09/29/02 Hudson WI
71 2:21:05a B Corey Creasey Grandma's 06/21/03 Berkeley CA
72 2:21:10 B Terrence Mahon New York City 11/04/01 Ardmore PA
73 2:21:10P B Trent Briney LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Rochester Hills MI
74 2:21:11P B Matt Folk Columbus 10/19/03 Youngstown OH
2:21:16 B Scott Strand (2) New York City 11/04/01 Birmingham AL
75 2:21:18a B Alex Tilson California Int'l 12/08/02 Burlingame CA
76 2:21:20a B Matt Sandercock Steamtown 10/13/02 Downingtown PA
77 2:21:21a B Tony Fraij Grandma's 06/22/02 Hilliard OH
78 2:21:24a B Eric Blake Steamtown 10/12/03 Plattsburgh NY
79 2:21:25P B Matthew Marcini LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 York PA
80 2:21:26 B Mark Newman LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Germantown TN
81 2:21:26a B Nate Bowen USA Men's Championship 02/08/03 Menlo Park CA
2:21:28 B James McGown (2) Quad Cities 09/28/03 Shelton NE
82 2:21:30 B Sean Nesbitt Anthem Kentucky Derby 04/26/03 Boulder CO
2:21:31 B Scott Larson (2) Anthem Kentucky Derby 04/26/03 Boulder CO
83 2:21:31a B Joseph Wilson Motorola Austin 02/16/03 Ogden UT
84 2:21:33aP B Corbin Talley St. George 10/04/03 Farmington UT
2:21:34 B Rod DeHaven (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Madison WI
85 2:21:35 B Bill Kabasenche LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Knoxville TN
86 2:21:40 B Phil Hudnall Anthem Kentucky Derby 04/27/02 Indianapolis IN
87 2:21:41a B Conor Holt Grandma's 06/21/03 Norman OK
88 2:21:41aP B Matthew Harmer St. George 10/04/03 Salt Lake City UT
89 2:21:43P B Mark Manz LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Kiel WI
2:21:44 B Weldon Johnson (2) New York City 11/04/01 Flagstaff AZ
90 2:21:47a B Aaron Church Grandma's 06/21/03 South Riding VA
2:21:48 B Peter Gilmore (2) LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/13/02 Menlo Park CA
91 2:21:48 B Michael Wardian Detroit Free Press/Flagstar Bank 10/05/03 Arlington VA
92 2:21:53P B Edmund Burke LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Burtonsville MD
93 2:21:54P B Terrence Shea LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Somerville MA
94 2:21:55 B Paul Aufdemberge LaSalle Bank Chicago 10/12/03 Redford MI
2:21:57 B Chris Banks (2) Twin Cities 09/29/02 Springfield VA
95 2:21:57aP B Eric Hartmark St. George 10/04/03 Roseville MN
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[quote]ABrunner wrote:
i'm not sure who 'Wa Wa' is referring to in this one...but if he only knew. me personally, i turned hansons down, not vice versa. not sure bout everyone else here. i see no jealousy, just a shady situation.
[quote]
Sure we believe that an unnamed poster is good enough to turn down Hansons. There are only a couple guys in the country that fall into that category and all of them are more intelligent than you. If you were that good you would be using your real name to add credibility to your argument.
"good enough to turn down hansons" isn't necessarily that good. i mean seriously are you kidding?? take the top 75-100 from d1 xc last year alone and you have guys who can run for hansons. for the 'B' squad, all you need is the desire to run a ton, the willingness to put off making money and working a full time job, and a distance pr that's not horrific. don't get me wrong, i admire the guys who do it in some ways, more power to them, but it's not all that exclusive. even the 'A' squad includes every guy who qualifies for a distance event in track d1 and then some.
"for the 'B' squad, all you need is the desire to run a ton, the willingness to put off making money and working a full time job, and a distance pr that's not horrific."
Let's be serious, it is not that simple. Everybody should listen to mcpuddlemaker, he knows what the f is going on. Hanson's doesn't take everybody, I should know. So suck on these nuts everybody who is jealous and can't run 2:22:00, Rosario should be in and Sell hits the A standard.
ABrunner wrote:
i'm one of those who doesn't care what happends to these guys, but i would like to see things done correctly and see the power with the people rather than elitist groups such as the hansons.
Elitist? You obviously do not know the Hansons. You guys on here know them because they coach some pretty good runners. I know them because the own the local running store. They also run free speed training sessions at a local park (for slugs like me). Kevin also coaches the local High School girls CC team. If they were elitist why would they mess around with all that. They do it because the are the real deal, great guys who will give you advice if you run 3:56 marathon like I did or a 2:21:59. They just love the sport and want to give back to it (in a big way).
That being said, all you guys arguing that chip times are not valid are correct, but all of the times from Chicago (gun and chip) are the result of a chip. With a couple of guys that close to Q times, I don't blame them for asking the Chicago people to review them. The Chicago marathon has tapes of finish, you guys are using Marathon foto. Do you think the USATF cares what the hell Marathon foto says?
Say what you want about wether these guys should get their Q times or not, but don't question the authenticity or integrity of the Hansons.
Name the common household expression;
is it
A. the Camera doesn't lie
or is it
B. Carey Pinkowski doesn't lie?
doo dee doo doo doo dee doo doo
what are you doin on here pat?? B is obviously wrong.
Okay. I just want to get a few things straight here. First, I never said that I thought that the USATF consults chip-times in regard to the qualifying standard. Whoever claims that I did is a big f***ing DOLT. Rather, I think that the USATF should consult chip-times for this purpose (just qualifying, not monetary reward) as they are a more accurate representation of a runner's performance. If you disagree you are a f***ing BUTTPIPER to the f***ing extreme. Finally, I believe that any and all runners that hit the standard via the afore mentioned more accurate chip-time should be granted the right to compete at trials. Why do I believe this? Simple. I'm NOT A RETARD LIKE OTHERS ON THIS THREAD. Seriously. What good could keeping guys like rosario and miles and miles out of the trials do for the sport???????? answer: zippo, dude.
Just to clarify why Mary protested the time. She protested on how she was treated at the start line just seconds before the race start. She had an elite number for an elite start. She was warming up as all elites do before the start. At Chicago, you cannot just warm up in front of the start line and re-enter. You must enter through a guarded gate about 50 meters from the start line. About a minute before the start, she tried to enter the gated entry and was being denied by race security. Which I witnessed close to her. She was yelling at them, I am an elite, look at my number, but they still denied her until the countdown hit 3 seconds. She entered the area with sub-elites and never got near the start line. She understood she needed every second to qualify for the Trials. She ran angry that also effected her game. She felt cheated as a competitor with equal chance denied.
Nice random bump of a 16+ year old thread.