*no reason
*no reason
Wejo, now you're sounding like one of those big bad Nike Central Park Track Club a-holes who thinks everyone else is just riff raff. Are you a new member?
1500mguy wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what happened to cause this wejo. You, for some reason, don't think D2 D3 or NAIA especially should be on the front page (obvious from past non-coverages) so when people continually email you asking that it be put up, it gets under your skin for some reason. So begrudgingly to get them to shut up you put it up, but to get back at them you name it "baby nationals"...now you know its offensive or at least mean it as demeaning; however, knowing that the majority of your traffic is from those "baby athletes" you come up with this back story of little brother crap to cover your tracks so that you can leave up baby nationals which makes you feel good becuase you are getting those suckers but at the same time are defensible becuase they are just being "too sensitive"...
really not that hard to see whats going on...more typical of teenage girls but I guess you have stooped to that level...I think you will find the results of your poll will show that generally there is no reason for the "baby" statement. Just call it what it is, DII, DIII, NAIA not that hard or confusing.
bingo.
by the way, I guarantee you at least half of the people who vote its "cool" in the poll will be doing so not becuase it is non offensive, but becuase they are like you and find it fun to be demeaning in this situation and completley think that baby nationals is demeaning.
i thought I've seen it all, but I can't believe how irrationally some of you are affected by this. The lower divisions ARE baby divisions compared to D1, and everyone knows this. I myself was an "All-American" at an NAIA school. While I was in the teens at XC nats, I know for sure that I would have been fortunate to be in the top 200 at D1 (assuming I was in the meet!). I don't for a second consider myself to be a "real" collegiate AA.
Maybe Wejo has learned to not piss off all these great (yet insecure) runners, though. Perhaps in the future he'll talk about the lower divisions in the future as if they're absolutely WONDERFUL! It's kind of like how race directors of 10K fun runs have to act like age-group winners (who actually are not very good) are the shit just to keep them (and their gigantic egos) happy. It's simply flattery - keeps everyone happy, I guess. OTOH, I find the overwhelming self-centeredness of the "athletes" and the disingenousness of the butt-kissing RD's kind of sickening.
Harry Kooter wrote:
Look around at all of the threads on this board. Half of the suddenly ultra-sensitive posters here have probably posted something ten times as offensive at some point.
Computer Guru wrote:
Well said, Harry. With all of the profanity-laden personal attacks along with the various other varieties of trolls that you can find on these boards, why are people suddenly mortified by Wejo's headline?
I was a D3 distance runner in college, and it would never occur to me to be offended by that comment. It sounds like there are some blatant double-standards in effect.
i do not coach anymore wrote:
you 2 and a few others get it right. i once coached at a D 1 school with a D 1 and D 3 schedule and an NAIA budget or worse. the important thing was the kids got to compete. sure they felt short changed but not by their peers but by the school.
baby nationals isn't and insult, i thought it was an original term of endearment for the championships. maybe it should read "the not quite the D 1 nationals".
The drama surrounding this controversy is genuinely amusing. At least THESE people seem to have an accurate perspective on the entire situation! Considerting the antagonistic verbal diarrhea that is posted on these message boards, I simply can't believe that Wejo's words qualifies as "offensive."
1500mguy wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what happened to cause this wejo. You, for some reason, don't think...
1500mguy wrote:
by the way, I guarantee you at least half of the people who vote its "cool" in the poll will be doing so because...
So in addition to telling us what Wejo thinks, you believe you have some type of remarkable insight into everyone else's thoughts too? LoL!! Your ego is writing checks that your keyboard cannot cash.
yeah, actually I can, its pretty obvious, you just have to know and understand people and their actions.
1500mguy wrote:
yeah, actually I can, its pretty obvious
No, it isn't. It is exceedingly self-righteous and egotistical.
I agree totally, but this has nothing to do with education. It's just that the NCAA DI is the biggest nationals and the others are not as big. It's still difficult to to even get there. I don't think any offense was meant.
Keep it in perspective wrote:
1500mguy wrote:yeah, actually I can, its pretty obvious
No, it isn't. It is exceedingly self-righteous and egotistical.
No, I can assure you I can. Not everyone is able to do it but I can. You don't have to believe me, matter of fact maybe to prove it to you I can tell you that you are the type of person who will never believe me...thats fine....but I know exactly what his thought process was as well as some of the people voting in the poll. So yes I can and it is pretty obvious to me, sorry its not to you.
Keep it in perspective wrote:
Considerting the antagonistic verbal diarrhea that is posted on these message boards, I simply can't believe that Wejo's words qualifies as "offensive."
Yeah, but WeJo posted it on the front page, not on the boards. I think that is why people are mildly offended. The front page is not a locker room free for all like the boards are. It directly reflects the bias of the owners of the site. I think that is what bothers people.
I posted what I think a little up on the page. Can you please tell me what my unspoken thoughts are? Thanks in advance!
Wejo,
I don't think you meant to demean Div II, III and the NAIA. However, if you want track & field to develop into a "first class" sport in the eyes of the public (as you and this website have purported via countless articles/editorial comments about the "state of our sport"), you can't possibly think that calling something "Baby Nats" is a step in a positive direction. Certainly not from a "let's promote our sport" point of view.
Just recently, didn't you solicit ideas about how to save Footlocker? About how to get people to a track meet in LA? While the "Baby Nats" question is a different issue, all three fall under the realm of PR in our sport. Calling the meets "Baby Nats" might be "cute" -- but it comes across as slightly hypocritical given your other (valid) concerns about our sport.
I see "Baby Nats" as an honest mistake -- one committed without malicious intent, but a mistake nonetheless from one who wants our sport to gain positive attention.
From THAT standpoint, I think it is worthy of changing the front page.
Could someone post Welton's record from "big Kahuna" nationals?
I am a former 1:49 naia runner and I found the link on the front page to be amusing. Like some have already said, the naia does not compare to the powerhouses of D1. Yes, there are some superb runners from the naia: mike rodgers, brandon shaw, aaron rono, etc. Yet, the majority of the times and marks non D1 schools do not compare to those at "Daddy" nationals.
The best part about track and field is that the times and marks speak for themselves. If you are a non D1 runner and are offended by the "Baby" nationals link, run FAST and you will get respect from people.
Stop being so sensitive...stop crying...run fast
-if you are complaining about this site, build your own letsrun/racewalk/naia/non-offensive/40 year-old ruuner still competing website
I am not bashing non D1 schools. I think naia, d1, d2, d3 are great places for some runners to develop. I just think some people shouldn't be so sensitive.
Found it myselfhttp://www.letsrun.com/weldonbio.html
He never reached his goal of becoming an All-American or even making it to the NCAA meet, but he did achieve All-East status in the 5,000m and 10,000m.
Probably would've been smoked at "Baby Nationals" supposing he ever hit the marks to qualify for any of them.
1500mguy wrote:
No, I can assure you I can. Not everyone is able to do it but I can. You don't have to believe me...
That is where you are going astray once again. It isn't a matter of whether or not I believe that you are the "Runner Whisperer!" You simply cannot attribute thoughts (and the associated emotions) to Weldon's actions when you can't possibly know what he was actually thinking. But please, don't let me distract your delusional perspective for too long. I'm sure that your soap box still has plenty of mileage left on it!
Exactly. At least there are 2 naia alums who aren't whining about their national meet being called "baby". However, going by many of the responses, it appears that calling the meets "baby nats" may have been highly appropriate.
former naia runner wrote:
I am a former 1:49 naia runner and I found the link on the front page to be amusing. Like some have already said, the naia does not compare to the powerhouses of D1. Yes, there are some superb runners from the naia: mike rodgers, brandon shaw, aaron rono, etc. Yet, the majority of the times and marks non D1 schools do not compare to those at "Daddy" nationals.
The best part about track and field is that the times and marks speak for themselves. If you are a non D1 runner and are offended by the "Baby" nationals link, run FAST and you will get respect from people.
Stop being so sensitive...stop crying...run fast
-if you are complaining about this site, build your own letsrun/racewalk/naia/non-offensive/40 year-old ruuner still competing website
I am not bashing non D1 schools. I think naia, d1, d2, d3 are great places for some runners to develop. I just think some people shouldn't be so sensitive.
Its cool that everyone comes to this site "where your dreams become reality."
However: D II, D III, and NAIA (Steve Scott, Mark Conover, Elva Dryer, Nick Symmonds, etc. etc.) all had/have "Baby" dreams