One bit I thought was very good though was when the religious people were screaming "Jesus loves everyone" and then you immediately go onto people who probably (but we DON'T KNOW) consider themselves religious hating those who are different to themselves.
fly wrote:
i could be mistaken, but did anyone get the feeling that cohen is an intelligent guy and aside from his crazy antics was also trying to send a political message?
BanCohen wrote:
Cohen is half jewish half iranian.
SBC is Oxbridge educated (he considered doing his PhD but chose comedy), and was born in England to an Israeli mother and a Welsh father.
Look at his face. Without beeing racist or imply something negative what I see is Arab and considering his mom,...jewish too.
Why he didn t made an istraeli character??? Istrael is the most racist nation ethnicity in the world. They dislike everybody who s not jewish. Kazakstan is way much tolerant on religious and social freedom than Istrael. Period.
Its so funny when a jewish is making a movie poking social intolerance, and the same person(Cohen/Borat) had his wife converted to his religion in order to marry her
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacha_Baron_Cohen
jewish double standards-one side yelling for tolerance, the other beeing intolerant themselves.
gh wrote:
Trythy is a stupid, "thou art dumber than me" elitist ala coming onto a thread where probably about of half the posters say they thought the movie was funny and whose "slobberdness" is exposed by such an "educated, well informed" human being. Apparently you cannot achieve two ends for a mass market--create a popular comedy that meanwhile presents a respectable satire of the people who unquestionably support Bush ideology.
Dumb and Dumber poked fun at, generally speaking, the poor socioeconomic community and their "naivety". Yet since Jim Carrey and Arach-dude--cute, cuddly, noncontroversial extensions of generally prosperous white America--portray these characters, we ignore this simple fact. Funny--hell yes! But its social implications are hid beneath slapstick humor and "safe" actors.
Whereas on the other hand it is much easier for us to conceive of "Borat" in a questionable light, particularly the efficacy and of its political message. The character Borat and Cohen's acting in themselves would make this movie hysterically funny, in my opinion. He shits in a bag and brings it to a dinner table of elitist white southerners, asking them what he should do with it. Is that not similar to the Dumb and Dumber duo showing up to a charity dinner party in ridiculously unacceptable suits? You're right, the former is funnier. But its controversial aspects make you say it is stupid?
I guess I'm a slobbering idiot for appreciating the movie, especially as it is released to coincide with the midterm election (that's just smart marketing). This, one would think, would make moderates in America want to swing even moreso to the left. Did we know people like this existed? Yes. Do we know that Bush is an f'ing moron? Yes. But he seems to do a pretty good job of covering his tracks, now doesn't he?
There. Is this "the thread to end the thread"? So ridiculous how one person can be the decisive word simply based upon his elitist stance.
IMO, this is just the kind of guy that Trythy is describing!
Hey everyone, it WASN'T VERY SUBTLE. You are not smart for seeing the message of the film.
You have to be a monkey to let it slip past you.
silly. take a stab and i'll bite. no shit it wasn't subtle. do you see my discuss its sublety anywhere in what i said? i was taking a stab at the high-minded people--like you--who come on here and "rescue us from our ignorance".
i don't think anyone is trying to rescue you or anyone else for that matter. You can like whatever you want, it's not my business. i just think there is a definitive line between fiction and reality--and our culture is continually pushing to remove that line. what used to be done in fictional circumstances, is now being done in real life, under false pretenses, for the entertainment of others and at the expense of those deemed as "beneath us". How is that different from the big kid in grade school who pushes you down so that others will laugh at you b/c you are skinny? Or the football player who harasses you in the hall in high school b/c your a "pussy runner"? We look down at the "hicks" and "rednecks" in Borat with pity, and in doing so--miss our own faults and prejudices.
Not a single part of that movie surprised or shocked me in the least. It didn't offend me, but it didn't humor me either. It was just wasteful and sad. It's just my opinion, and I don't condemn you in the least for finding it funny.