York Shocker: Newton out as XC coach at York!!!!!!

Neither. I was on one of the few other teams to win consecutive cross country state championships in the state of Illinois.

So there may be 5-10 schools in the country whose alumni produce as well as York's after high school. Not very good statistics to base a rampage against the school. I am always amused at the peoeple who say Mead, York, 'Toga kids burn out after high school and then can never list more than a handful of schools that can do any better.

Jabs wrote:

Neither. I was on one of the few other teams to win consecutive cross country state championships in the state of Illinois.

what school is that? Wheeling?

Another Illinois high school program that has a much better ulumni is Fenton.

I don't think many people were trying to "rampage" against York. I am willing to bet that myself and greenliner are probably the only ones on this thread that have met, spoken, and sat down to dinner with Joe Newton (and have done this on multiple occasions). I am not a biased party and I believe that Newton gets the most out of his kids, and NOBODY would be able to do the same with his group.

rebelrebel, you asked which teams had more productive alumni in the past ten years. I believe that in the state of Illinois, Naperville North and Glenbard South alumni have went on to have more productive post-collegiate careers than York alumni. To be honest, I could probably list a few more schools if I did the research. The times I have provided prove the point. I am just answering your question here.

I think its Lockport, I don't think Wheeling ever won back to back in boys cc. It really doesnt matter what alumni do, because York doesnt always win with great runners. Look at some of the runners that beat the York runners and very few of them go on to be great runners either. What they have is good runners that are willing to put in the work in high school.

Many dinners with the coach.

York wins state again today, without Newton, but puts 4 runners in the top 20.

I do not see why we keep tryng to argue which school puts out more top collegiate runners. Tork, NN, Wheeling, Lockport, Schaumburg, Palatine- they all do good work with their runners. York just wins state more than they do.

quote" The 4:15 was for the mile, not the 1500m. He had also run 2:00 in the 800m as a high school freshman in Norway, and 2:06 as a 14 year-old. Not too bad pre-York times. Go to Marius Bakken online if you need confirmation "

Jabs, the m after 4.15 on my homepage (4.15m) stands for manual timing, certainly not mile times - but 1500 time (so about 4.33 or so mile)

I think most are missing the point with post-York runners. The problem is not burnout physically (go to Kenya and you'll se similar training for the young ones there) but the fact that those years at York are so special for the athletes - and about the only thing that can match that is something like the Olympics (it would be the only thing I can even compare to York, having been in both 00 and 04 Olympics). The runners have had such a great experience with running - that about nothing can match this ; that does not produce life long COMPETITIVE runners but it does produce runners with a running memory of a life that not many other people can match...

Marius Bakken

Thank you, Marius! Good to hear from actual York runner than from an actual York dad. This is sort of the point. Both of my kids found running at college a lot easier than training at York. The teams were not quite as close knit, though they were all good friends, and the coaching was far more "adult" in nature; that is, a lot was left up to the runners, with less direction than they had at York. But here we are 8 years after they graduated and one is teaching and coaching in IL and still running marathons (2.35 at Chicago) while the other is running but not currently coaching (as his new school where he teaches does not have a team as yet- it is so new it has only 9th and 10th grades, in Brooklyn).

Good luck on your medical studies and your time away from running.

For those who support Newton coaching out of season, would you be as supportive of a soccer coach who extends his season to keep his athletes from experiencing other sports - like running.

This is the first time this has ever happened, and it will be the last. No one supports him doing something wrong, right?

greenliner wrote:

This is sort of the point. Both of my kids found running at college a lot easier than training at York.

Then I'm sure your kids were multi-All-Americans, no?

Baltimore Suitcase wrote:

Then I'm sure your kids were multi-All-Americans, no?

Reasonable people don't measure success in the one way you do.

Academic All-Americans, D3, of which I am incredibly proud. Both ran well, still run, and both coach at the HS level (though one not currently, as noted). And your point is?

I forgot to add these comments about the race yesterday, which I posted on a second thread as well:

" Not to be outdone, the fabled York dynasty rolled along quickly on the boys' side, even without legendary coach Joe Newton at the helm for the biggest race of the year. The Dukes delivered a race for the ages in what is believed to be the fastest 3-mile team-time clocking in U.S. prep history with a stunning 73:34 performance (14:42.8 average for its five scoring runners). It was also exactly 100 seconds faster than the team's winning aggregate clocking at the 2004 state meet, which came one month prior to it winning the inaugural Nike Team Nationals event in Portland, Ore.

York won its 26th state title in school history with a commanding 60-point scoring effort that proved 105 points better than a sensational out-of-nowhere performance by St. Charles North HS, which entered the weekend ranked only 11th in the final state Class AA poll. So thoroughly dominating was the Dukes' effort that its 6th (15:01) and 7th runners (15:09) finished ahead of the fourth scorer of all but one opposing team."

I did not go to school in Elmhurst but I was lucky enough to be able to train with the York Dukes on week-ends over 40 years ago. The things I learned, besides running, from Coach Newton have been an important part of my life ever since. My loyalty to him has never waivered and will not over this incident. He was told he made a mistake, he accepted it as a gentleman. The jealousy of his success has been around decades before this incident. If all coaches put in a fraction of the time he has to climb to the top of the mountain, it wouldn't be so lonely for him up there. The day Coach Newton finally retires will be a sad day for the running world!