Sage Canaday Reports Cam Hanes to USADA After 58-Year-Old’s 2:39 Eugene Marathon

My fear is they will beat the allegations due to money, connections and power. Max and the Satisfy boys (and probably Molly) are probably connected and likely back Hanes. I think there was an insta with her supporting him.

Don't even have to buy them illegally on the internet. Just walk in to a "wellness" clinic near you, say the right thing, fork over some cash, and you can get a shot of high-grade T or even peptides without even a cursory blood test

I may be cynical but I see races looking the other way so they can hit their numbers metrics, and with wealthy Millennial athletes being desperate for clout on social as well...so much for clean sport going forward.

Social media is worse.

I might be wrong but to even follow on to your last paragraph, I think some of them are looking for the huge viral vid that will launch them into fame, open doors and get them $ that allows them to never work a 9-to-5 again, esp. in a failing economy. They are that desperate.

Very valid point here, and also love that LRC is fairly moderated, unlike Reddit/r/AdvancedRunning.

Cam might not even know about LRC lol. Or if he did and posted already, I missed it, and that's on me.

Maybe someday Sage will go to Harvard law school and sue USADA ? Or run for office Green Party?

Cam seems like teflon, he doesn't care and he got hi$. I think that is why they are all smug, they have more influence in the sport than Sage (who is awesome).

Although that is a fair point, he did have a beef with SJD for some reason?! I remember that now, but Seth has his own issues he had to deal with and clean up in the world of influencing.

Your BAA point reminds me of the Irish Dance scandal...judges being paid off to award prizes to certain competitors due to relationships, etc.

These big corporate orgs. like BAA and the Coco 250 peeps don't care about fairness; they just want their $. And most running public doesn't know about LetsRun anyways, even if there are good people here fighting the good fight.

People defending Cam and the Satisfy boys on social may be average rec runners in the sense they don't know much about the sport or its context but just see him as a "cool influencer." The diehards are on here and Reddit and are willing to go one mo..erm, go further into determining fairness.

Very true, down in Columbus 97.1 The Fan advertises things like Columbus Men's Clinic, the Low-T Center, Men's Wellness Center, etc. Only for $99! Too good to be true, etc. etc.

I think this is right. There's barely money for pro drug testing, let alone AG testing. These big race brands have to know that a decent chunk of their revenue dollars are coming from amateurs who are doping. Imagine if Ironman tested every AGer at the World Champs? Boston testing everyone in the top-X of the field? What about Hyrox, which apparently says they conform to WADA. I know someone who does Hyrox who definitely takes T. He's in the influencer space. His body looks "great." He teaches classes, pushes some products, etc. & the sad part is that he's more/less an inspiration to the people around him. The pharmacy race is really becoming a problem. We're constantly told we need to look a certain way & there are an array of products, lots of them illegal in sport, that get promoted to help us get there. Idc if average race times got a little slower if it meant everyone was doing things right. The problem is that people are getting paid to push products that make race fields dirtier, there's no testing, and, subsequently, doped athletes will finish ahead of clean athletes, taking championship slots, age group awards, qualification slots, etc. My guess is that some of those people don't even know that anti-doping rules exist or think it's only for elites. How many hybrid types just jump into road races that are glowing? Some stick with training & start doing well. That's the issue. It's not about anyone's personal feelings about Sage. I know some Eugene people who could've finished a slot higher. It matters to them if they're putting in the work the right way and training hard almost every day.

Jamil (and aravapia) have really shown to be greedy above ethics. Between jerking cam and Eli Wehbe off they have shown they don’t care about clean sports AND they don’t care about predators in the sport. If they bring more attention to a stupid class of events (100+ mile races) it makes them way more money. They don’t pay “volunteers”, they make use of public land and they pal around wiyj people that have no business being in the sport. Now that they are part of the consolidation of trail races into a few for profit companies it’s only gonna get worse.

pro’s can’t speak out because they won’t get a bib and they don’t have to listen regular peolle because more than enough will pay 2000$ to walk in the desert for 3 days

Sabrina Little at iRunFar has published what I found to be a very thoughtful handling of the situation. Does not call out Hanes or Sage by name, but the comments have.

irunfar.com

The Ethics of the Non-Professional Runner

Sabrina Little

Sabrina Little writes about why clean sport matters for professionals and non-professionals alike.

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Sports have rules. If you are going to run in an actual marathon, you need to follow whatever the rules are. If that includes not doping, then you can't dope. You're still free to go out and run 26.2 miles down the street according to your own rules any time you want. If you want to do that in a race, you have to follow the race's rules. By the same token, if it's bowhunting season for deer, you can't use a rifle with the excuse that you're are too old and weak to use a bow. Just have some integrity and follow the rules of whatever sport you're engaged in.

Ya he'll never get popped, and nothing will actually happen to them. Which is why the greater online space making a stink about this is actually kind of important cause it's literally all that can be done. Makes people think 'Doper' when they see 'Hanes'

Good on Sage for putting himself out there for this and subjecting himself to all the hate and abuse from the fanboys. Doing it for the love of the game

1. No one really cares if you are 55 and taking TRT because you want to feel younger and stronger and run in local turkey trots or even run a 3:00 marathon. Some people might think this is wrong but no one is going to think it is a wrong of serious magnitude. (And also remember that many women and men take hormones because they really do help mental and physical issues after age 50--there are totally legitimate and positive uses for these drugs once you hit a certain age).

2. The problem is when someone is making $ or taking serious age group awards off of their magical fitness at an advanced age. These people are lying.

3. So, the line is pretty clear. Take whatever drugs you want. Enjoy running 7:00 pace in training rather than 8:00 pace, while also being able to bench a lot. But don't steal awards or money from people who are clean.

I’m wondering if usada could exhume bodies and do drug testing even on age group guys who are long gone

Nice idea but all the money is in social media influencing now, and it's the wild west.

"Pro" runners, which is to say sponsored runners, have come to realize their job is glorified influencing. And these dopers have proven to be better at the job than the pros, without the gruelingly optimized training and running talent.

Oh, I agree that you shouldn't also be an influencer and make $ off of your magical old age fitness, when it is really drugs. . . .

On a side note, I think legit runners also get annoyed because all these dudes are jacked and that is pure drugs. Real training and running fitness, without drugs, does not lead to big biceps. Gaunt is beautiful in the words of the sage Quenton Cassiday.