lol. Letsrun has more people that just make up stuff than anywhere else.
Please point to me where 0.8 is a rule of thumb.
1. Anyone who pays attention just knows this. Bolt splitting 8.6, Carl splitting 8.9, etc. Try following the sport before you yap.
2. There was an analysis of 100m PBs and best 100m anchor splits for a set of elite runners. 0.8-0.9s difference, with very little variation.
(Finally, do you think Cooper accelerates as well as an 100m sprinter? If his block start only adds 1.0s to a flying time that will be very good for him.)
Lutkenhaus ran 22.1 from the blocks in lousy weather two years ago (in March). The video is on his channel. He’s obviously speedier than that now.
You. Just. Don't. Get. It.
We all know he has a 22.1 FAT.
So no, I'm not arguing he can't run 22.1, or even 21-high for that matter.
What I am ACTUALLY SAYING is that a flying 21.8 is actually evidence of, and what it's not. This is uncontroversially equivalent to a 22.6-22.8 FAT from the blocks -- anyone who has ever run from the blocks of operated a stopwatch should know this.
OF COURSE he'd be faster in meet conditions, rather than after 1500m of running at ~800m pace. Duh.
But he'd also be coming from something called "starting blocks" which involve a "motionless start." This adds 0.8-1.0s vs a flying start, for the best starters/accelerators in the world.
If you say that this 21.8 flying start (22.7 block-start equivalent) points to a 21.5 FAT, you are saying that the difference between a post-workout 200 and a meet-conditions 200, for a trained and championship-peaking 800m runner, is ~1.2s.
I find that unlikely. Realistically, a 0.8s difference is more plausible, which would put him at 21-high for a legitimate 200.
The only important thing is that Cooper himself said it's a 200 pr. Presumably he's comparing it to his previous rolling 200's.
EXACTLY. Thank you!
The social media video loudly proclaims this 22.7-equivalent flying-start run to be his "fastest 200 ever" ... and yet fanboys want to pretend he magically has another 1.2s in him, over 5% faster than this "200 pr", to run a 21.5 from the blocks.
Look at the garbage blowing on the track at the start of the video. It is literally WHIPPING straight down the direction of the finishing straight. Not to mention the hair and clothes of the spectators, almost blowing right off. (Hilarious that you referred to this video!)
And guess what....no wind reading in the results lolol. Not even a record-legal time.
How embarrassing for you to have appealed to "lousy weather" when this was so obviously wind-aided. You were either dishonest or ignorant. Which was it?
I suspect Cooper could just about run 21 flat right now. We had a runner at Palos Verdes HS who ran 21.5 (220) and low 48 (440). At USC they moved him up to the half mile, where he was a consistent 1:48 guy. I know it's only one data point, but I kinda think young Cooper could be a 20.8-21.0 guy. In any case, we have not seen anyone like him since Jim Ryun. Kinda takes your breath away, doesn't he?
lol. Letsrun has more people that just make up stuff than anywhere else.
Please point to me where 0.8 is a rule of thumb.
1. Anyone who pays attention just knows this. Bolt splitting 8.6, Carl splitting 8.9, etc. Try following the sport before you yap.
2. There was an analysis of 100m PBs and best 100m anchor splits for a set of elite runners. 0.8-0.9s difference, with very little variation.
(Finally, do you think Cooper accelerates as well as an 100m sprinter? If his block start only adds 1.0s to a flying time that will be very good for him.)
No proof, no links. This guy actually knows nothing. Complete moron. A very jealous moron.
I suspect Cooper could just about run 21 flat right now. We had a runner at Palos Verdes HS who ran 21.5 (220) and low 48 (440). At USC they moved him up to the half mile, where he was a consistent 1:48 guy. I know it's only one data point, but I kinda think young Cooper could be a 20.8-21.0 guy. In any case, we have not seen anyone like him since Jim Ryun. Kinda takes your breath away, doesn't he?
Look at the garbage blowing on the track at the start of the video. It is literally WHIPPING straight down the direction of the finishing straight. Not to mention the hair and clothes of the spectators, almost blowing right off. (Hilarious that you referred to this video!)
And guess what....no wind reading in the results lolol. Not even a record-legal time.
How embarrassing for you to have appealed to "lousy weather" when this was so obviously wind-aided. You were either dishonest or ignorant. Which was it?
In this instance, he demonstrates he is blind. And lies and obfuscation are his shields. The wind is generally noted in results when it goes over the allowable. Again, you are a jealous moron. Just admit your 2:03 800 PR is now driving you mad simply because a youngster demonstrates world class desperation. The guy told you the weather was lousy and it was. You try to turn it around in your embarrassment. Give it up and continue to cry about Cooper on your own.
Look at the garbage blowing on the track at the start of the video. It is literally WHIPPING straight down the direction of the finishing straight. Not to mention the hair and clothes of the spectators, almost blowing right off. (Hilarious that you referred to this video!)
And guess what....no wind reading in the results lolol. Not even a record-legal time.
How embarrassing for you to have appealed to "lousy weather" when this was so obviously wind-aided. You were either dishonest or ignorant. Which was it?
In this instance, he demonstrates he is blind. And lies and obfuscation are his shields. The wind is generally noted in results when it goes over the allowable. Again, you are a jealous moron. Just admit your 2:03 800 PR is now driving you mad simply because a youngster demonstrates world class desperation. The guy told you the weather was lousy and it was. You try to turn it around in your embarrassment. Give it up and continue to cry about Cooper on your own.
The guy who first mentioned that race noted it was a lousy cross-wind. Whoch it was. Ask anyone who was there. Not sure why the “know more” guy has to make things up. Coop is obviously going to be a mid to low 21 guy this season if he was that fast in the 9th grade. It’s usually the runners who are lacking in speed that try to deny the speed that a certain percentage of other middle and long distance runners have that make them stand out. Coop has terrific speed even in comparison to most other 800m runners. He was blessed with a lot of tools. That is hard for certain prople to accept.
In this instance, he demonstrates he is blind. And lies and obfuscation are his shields. The wind is generally noted in results when it goes over the allowable. Again, you are a jealous moron. Just admit your 2:03 800 PR is now driving you mad simply because a youngster demonstrates world class desperation. The guy told you the weather was lousy and it was. You try to turn it around in your embarrassment. Give it up and continue to cry about Cooper on your own.
The guy who first mentioned that race noted it was a lousy cross-wind. Whoch it was. Ask anyone who was there. Not sure why the “know more” guy has to make things up. Coop is obviously going to be a mid to low 21 guy this season if he was that fast in the 9th grade. It’s usually the runners who are lacking in speed that try to deny the speed that a certain percentage of other middle and long distance runners have that make them stand out. Coop has terrific speed even in comparison to most other 800m runners. He was blessed with a lot of tools. That is hard for certain prople to accept.
Actually, what’s bothering him and a few others is Cooper ran 1:42 last summer and so far appears to have improved, based on last year’s indoor performances. 😜
It has been well established that in a sprint the difference between a flying 100m and from the blocks is around 0.8 of a second. This has been demonstrated in relay times. It will be similar over 200m, which is also a sprint.
Earlier in the thread you wrote, "21.8 flying start is 22.3 from blocks."
You were never good with numbers. Or words. Or anything.
to break the 800m WR you need a speed 25.2 running any faster than this is practice is counter productive. Fries the very mitochondria that you need after 750m. Is this not just basics. You need the speed to endure. Not sprinting when fresh, but when fatigued.
1. Anyone who pays attention just knows this. Bolt splitting 8.6, Carl splitting 8.9, etc. Try following the sport before you yap.
2. There was an analysis of 100m PBs and best 100m anchor splits for a set of elite runners. 0.8-0.9s difference, with very little variation.
(Finally, do you think Cooper accelerates as well as an 100m sprinter? If his block start only adds 1.0s to a flying time that will be very good for him.)
No proof, no links. This guy actually knows nothing. Complete moron. A very jealous moron.
I actually don’t think anything he’s posted is unreasonable or inaccurate. It’s simply based on limited information.
CL ran that low 22 two years ago when his 400 PR was a full second slower than his 46.3 PR last year and almost two seconds slower with the mostly 48s he ran all season two years ago.
Moreover, all we know is that the 21.8 w a running start was a “workout PR.” We don’t know what CL was actually capable of on the day fresh, rested, in a much better lane, and with competition. We have no clue. It’s incomplete information, but he certainly wasn’t “all out.”
So everyone is guessing. I stand by my thoughts that CL is capable of 21.5-21.8, right now without focusing exclusively on trying to work on his 100/200 “PRs.”
Without reading the six pages on this thread, how many people here are insisting that he should move up to the 1500m?
Not many, though I suggested that he may end up being a 800/1500 guy rather than a 400/800 guy when he's in his prime (assuming he's already dominant in the 800).
