Are there any other marathon times available for some of the triathlon/ironman greats? I'm thinking about names like Simon Whitfield, Jan Frodeno, Alistair Brownlee, Jonathan Brownlee, Kristian Blummenfelt, Hayden Wilde, Dave Scott, Mark Allen etc. I'd love to know
No open marathon times for these tri geeks. Straight run races are rare too. Here's what I got.
Whitfield: no idea but worth searching as he was a runner before tris. my guess would be 29:30 10k pr
Frodo: no idea
Ali: 28:45 10k at Stanford invite years ago
Jonny: no idea
KB: 13:52 road 5k in Norway. He attempted a low 28:00 10k track time but pulled out with cramps.
Wilde: 27:45 Tokyo road 10k
Dave Scott: no idea and so slow not worth searching
Mark Allen: raced a 10 miler in the late 80's and I think he held just under 5:00 pace. No Yee build up though. I think he chucked it in with tri training. That was fast tri running for his era but he was not in the mix with the leaders
Wilde ran 27:39 at Tokyo in May 2025. He suffered a grave accident on a bike soon after which could have ended his career. Dude is a monster. Built.
Alex is a friend of a friend of mine. Before Valencia he said it was going to be his final marathon. Of course his result could have changed his mind but so far I haven't heard that it has.
He said in a Cronos sponsored interview that he may go for London 2029 in the marathon.
Was that after Valencia? Our mutual friend later told me that he thought Alex would try for the UK record but that wasn't based on anything he'd heard. And I saw a post race interview where Alex said it was back to the triathlon now.
Lange is not a lousy cyclist. He is a first chase pack THEN FRONT GROUP cyclist in Kona now, cycling with everyone except Ditlev and Laidlow. It's taken him years to get there but that's where he is now. He has no weakness at all. He is no comparison to Yee in full IM PERFORMANCE. Lange swims near the front now then cycles big numbers w/kg and backs it up with fast runs. He is front pack riding now because his swim improved BIG TIME, swimming with a proper club team. Norge / Laidlow just that much better.
Yee’s marathon (2:06.38) = 1192 IAAF points
Wilde’s road 10k (27:45) = 1155 IAAF points
Pearson’s HM (61:02) = 1145 IAAF points
Yee is the fastest runner in triathlon according to IAAF
I don't think anyone is arguing Yee isn't the fastest runner in triathlon.
But the game has been raised on the bike and Lange hasn't shown that he can cut it. Lange rode 4:43 at IMWC 2023 in Nice. With a 2:32 marathon that was good enough for second place. This year he rode 4:50 at Nice and he ran a 2:31 and only came in 9th place. The podium contenders are biking 4:31-4:32 in Nice. The Norwegian contingent, Laidlow, and Ditlev will surely go close to 4 hours in Kona.
Either way I think we are arguing the same thing which is that Yee may not be able to overcome the deficit on the bike. The idea that he can "go for a coffee ride" and overtake everyone on the run is in my opinion ludicrous.
lange had the 29th place swim split and then the 36th fastest bike split and then the second fastest run split
So what I've learned in this thread, to my surprise, is that Yee actually isn't very good at triathlon at all. All these years he, his team, and the British media have been gaslighting me into thinking he was good at the 3 disciplines rolled into 1 continuous event. When in fact I have now learned that he is a terrible swimmer, a weak cyclist, and a sort of good but not quite world class runner.
Thank goodness this board is here to enlighten me as I just took things such as the Olympic Golds as a sort of guarantee that he was a good triathlete. I now know better and won't be fooled or impressed by his shenanigans any longer.
weve learned so little lol
Yee who has succeeded at everything he’s touched is just not going to be good at the next logical thing
amazing how quickly forget just a few years ago when it was the Norwegians ‘would never be that good at IM’ after Olav made the ‘taking candy from a baby’ comment
much like then, talent is talent and Yee altar has 2/3 disciplines nailed, plus nutrition, plus heat prep, but we should throw all that away because some guy wants to glaze Pearson on a message board
Hes just like Yee will be: front pack swim, lose 4:00-5:00 on the bike, dominate on the run
Again, look at Langes split for Kona 24 after you say he ‘fixed’ his bike power:
7:35:53 (47:09/4:06:22/2:37.34)
9:00 slower than Laidlow, 4:00-5:00 behind the known big power guys
Lange rode in with the first group in 2024 after uber bikers Kallin, DItlev, Laidlow. He was not first group before. He fixed his bike. You are wrong. But he also fixed his swim, putting him much closer at T1. But also Holding the first group after T1 is new territory. Fixed.
Lange is not a lousy cyclist. He is a first chase pack THEN FRONT GROUP cyclist in Kona now, cycling with everyone except Ditlev and Laidlow. It's taken him years to get there but that's where he is now. He has no weakness at all. He is no comparison to Yee in full IM PERFORMANCE. Lange swims near the front now then cycles big numbers w/kg and backs it up with fast runs. He is front pack riding now because his swim improved BIG TIME, swimming with a proper club team. Norge / Laidlow just that much better.
Yee’s marathon (2:06.38) = 1192 IAAF points
Wilde’s road 10k (27:45) = 1155 IAAF points
Pearson’s HM (61:02) = 1145 IAAF points
Yee is the fastest runner in triathlon according to IAAF
I don't think anyone is arguing Yee isn't the fastest runner in triathlon.
But the game has been raised on the bike and Lange hasn't shown that he can cut it. Lange rode 4:43 at IMWC 2023 in Nice. With a 2:32 marathon that was good enough for second place. This year he rode 4:50 at Nice and he ran a 2:31 and only came in 9th place. The podium contenders are biking 4:31-4:32 in Nice. The Norwegian contingent, Laidlow, and Ditlev will surely go close to 4 hours in Kona.
Either way I think we are arguing the same thing which is that Yee may not be able to overcome the deficit on the bike. The idea that he can "go for a coffee ride" and overtake everyone on the run is in my opinion ludicrous.
No, 5 days ago Yee wasn't the fastest runner in triathlon, according to IAAF points for times. Wilde's open 10k made him the fastest triathlon runner. But Yee just surpassed him in open run races with this 2:06. We all know in triathlon racing itself, Yee has been the fastest for years. He always out kicks Wilde in Super League and WTS.
Lange rode first pack in Kona and finished there. If Yee ever managed to ride that hard, he would not finish the race. He'd be walking then peace out. For Yee to finish a full IM world champs AND unleash a marathon that would shock the world (say a 2:25 - 2:30 in Kona), he would need to ride 20 - 30 minutes slower than Lange's lead group.
And where would that put him at the end...
Lange and Yee are not the same. They never will be. Could they be? If Yee chucked it all and went to full IM? No. Yee is too scrawny to even try to match Lange. No watts. No power.
But they have healthcare so WARmerica still loses WITH its teeth and failed for-profit death care, which has the worst health care outcome / metrics in the developed world while pay more than everyone else.
I live in Japan. Had a non-emergency OPTIONAL shoulder surgery after a ski accident. I waited 2 years and 3 months for the surgery. I'm joking. Doc offered to do it 4 days after my accident but I told him lets wait one week to fit MY schedule. This was on the cheapest, most basic form of universal healthcare in Japan, with a $55 month payments and no deductibles. They don't exist here. People don't even know what that word means...
Hes just like Yee will be: front pack swim, lose 4:00-5:00 on the bike, dominate on the run
Again, look at Langes split for Kona 24 after you say he ‘fixed’ his bike power:
7:35:53 (47:09/4:06:22/2:37.34)
9:00 slower than Laidlow, 4:00-5:00 behind the known big power guys
Lange rode in with the first group in 2024 after uber bikers Kallin, DItlev, Laidlow. He was not first group before. He fixed his bike. You are wrong. But he also fixed his swim, putting him much closer at T1. But also Holding the first group after T1 is new territory. Fixed.
Yee could never do this, physiologically.
You really have the absolute most useless contributions to this conversation, just saying
So what I've learned in this thread, to my surprise, is that Yee actually isn't very good at triathlon at all. All these years he, his team, and the British media have been gaslighting me into thinking he was good at the 3 disciplines rolled into 1 continuous event. When in fact I have now learned that he is a terrible swimmer, a weak cyclist, and a sort of good but not quite world class runner.
Thank goodness this board is here to enlighten me as I just took things such as the Olympic Golds as a sort of guarantee that he was a good triathlete. I now know better and won't be fooled or impressed by his shenanigans any longer.
weve learned so little lol
Yee who has succeeded at everything he’s touched is just not going to be good at the next logical thing
amazing how quickly forget just a few years ago when it was the Norwegians ‘would never be that good at IM’ after Olav made the ‘taking candy from a baby’ comment
much like then, talent is talent and Yee altar has 2/3 disciplines nailed, plus nutrition, plus heat prep, but we should throw all that away because some guy wants to glaze Pearson on a message board
cant wait for these comments to age like vinegar
seriously disconnected stuff here.
Norge has been dong the lions share of work on the bike for YEARS in draft legal WTS. Nobody ever said Norge would not make it at longer distance. Nobody. Not the media, not coaches, not podcasts. Everyone said they WOULD be very good at longer racing because of their more-is-more, high volume since their junior days AND because their proven bike prowess in WTS racing. 2018 Bermuda WTS 1-2-3 is one example.
I spoke with KB and Iden after WTS Yokohama. They complained "americans don't do any work" in the group (a jab at Matt Mac at that race). But they probably had this sentiment AFTER EVERY WTS RACE. Everyone waits for Norge to bridge them up, free ride. Been the same for years. Only Geens and Wilde stayed camped out on the front in the wind, with KB, to bridge up entire fields in WTS. So it's well earned, good karma that those 3 are making BANK now at mid/long distance because they helped so many unwilling wheel suckers for YEARS in WTS.
At one race, I watched Iden go from the last group at T1, and then ride THROUGH 3 small groups (3-6 guys), nobody pulling through, just Iden driving it like they weren't even there. No cameras anywhere to see this epic work and ability. Even THEN, he was dropping those guys off his wheel. Just riding them off. Insane talent and willingness to work.
And absolutely no pro at any WTS field EVER said Norge won't make it at longer racing. They knew the truth first hand...
Yee has never done that, ever, not for most the bike, and not even for small parts of the bike, which is what Norge did for years in draft legal WTS. KB did it in Tokyo and Paris too. Yee touched the front very few times, then off, as any good swim/runner SHOULD do in draft legal.
Pump the breaks on Yee's non-drafting potential. His past has NOTHING to indicate he would be good at non-drafting anything, even an olympic distance non-draft race. He's never driven the front of WTS races on the bike like Geens, Wilde, Norge did. A watt spike from Yee is not normalized power for 2 - 4 hours.
Talent is talent, reality is reality.
IF Yee ever went long and had success, I'd gladly eat crow and rub egg all over my face. I'm a huge Yee fan... His cross over stuff is insane fun to watch. But more important than that, I'm a fan of the sport
I don't think anyone is arguing Yee isn't the fastest runner in triathlon.
But the game has been raised on the bike and Lange hasn't shown that he can cut it. Lange rode 4:43 at IMWC 2023 in Nice. With a 2:32 marathon that was good enough for second place. This year he rode 4:50 at Nice and he ran a 2:31 and only came in 9th place. The podium contenders are biking 4:31-4:32 in Nice. The Norwegian contingent, Laidlow, and Ditlev will surely go close to 4 hours in Kona.
Either way I think we are arguing the same thing which is that Yee may not be able to overcome the deficit on the bike. The idea that he can "go for a coffee ride" and overtake everyone on the run is in my opinion ludicrous.
Lange and Yee are not the same. They never will be. Could they be? If Yee chucked it all and went to full IM? No. Yee is too scrawny to even try to match Lange. No watts. No power.
I can see him swimming at the front, riding 4:15 or so, and running 2:25 to 2:30. But I can also see that not being enough to win. He will lose 10+ minutes on the bike on a watts course, and be won't gain that much back on the best runners.
So yeah, don't get me wrong, I think he's going to be very good. I just don't know that he's guaranteed to blow everyone away
Yee who has succeeded at everything he’s touched is just not going to be good at the next logical thing
Sustained, non-drafting power on the bike for 2 - 4 hours as an ectomorph is not a logical step. Everyone in this thread has said as much. It's a disconnected hopeful step.
How many others at the top of T100 / 70.3 / IM have Yee's frame?
I can see him swimming at the front, riding 4:15 or so, and running 2:25 to 2:30. But I can also see that not being enough to win. He will lose 10+ minutes on the bike on a watts course, and be won't gain that much back on the best runners.
So yeah, don't get me wrong, I think he's going to be very good. I just don't know that he's guaranteed to blow everyone away
I'd have to agree. To see him sniff the top at full IM would take years to develop though. He won't be the Norge immediate cross-over success story. After LA some faster marathoning would be epic. 2029 London worlds apparently. I just don't see long tris for Alex. T100 maybe. He could fudge that bike effort much easier. Just threshold through it without fully destroying his run. Full IM will expose the massive chasm in his ectomorph physiology though. It would take him years to change his body to that completely different effort.
Watching him slog through years of poor racing, after years of fast EXCITING success... not sure I want to watch that slow motion pain and struggle. It would be a great way for him to bank roll sponsors though. A smart money play for Alex.
Let's flush out the full IM path for Alex into reality:
years 1 - 2 "ok, he's just getting started, let's wait"
years 3 - 5 "this is a tough man's sport... Alex is a fighter... he's shown some promise and he's running the fastest splits but..."
years 6 - ?? "we knew he could do it!!"
That's what we are looking at post 2029 for full IM Alex. Shorten the years I've shown above if he goes to T100 / 70.3 (the actual logical step)
But this is IF he makes it. IF. There's a big chance he starts this full IM path but retires as a failure at fulls. On the way he says, "eff this boring slog. I'm out. I just can't" Not the best of endings.
I'd be stoked if he went mid-distance after 2029. Still exciting (ish) to watch and he would not need as many years to ATTEMPT change his body
Yee who has succeeded at everything he’s touched is just not going to be good at the next logical thing
amazing how quickly forget just a few years ago when it was the Norwegians ‘would never be that good at IM’ after Olav made the ‘taking candy from a baby’ comment
much like then, talent is talent and Yee altar has 2/3 disciplines nailed, plus nutrition, plus heat prep, but we should throw all that away because some guy wants to glaze Pearson on a message board
cant wait for these comments to age like vinegar
seriously disconnected stuff here.
Norge has been dong the lions share of work on the bike for YEARS in draft legal WTS. Nobody ever said Norge would not make it at longer distance. Nobody. Not the media, not coaches, not podcasts. Everyone said they WOULD be very good at longer racing because of their more-is-more, high volume since their junior days AND because their proven bike prowess in WTS racing. 2018 Bermuda WTS 1-2-3 is one example.
I spoke with KB and Iden after WTS Yokohama. They complained "americans don't do any work" in the group (a jab at Matt Mac at that race). But they probably had this sentiment AFTER EVERY WTS RACE. Everyone waits for Norge to bridge them up, free ride. Been the same for years. Only Geens and Wilde stayed camped out on the front in the wind, with KB, to bridge up entire fields in WTS. So it's well earned, good karma that those 3 are making BANK now at mid/long distance because they helped so many unwilling wheel suckers for YEARS in WTS.
At one race, I watched Iden go from the last group at T1, and then ride THROUGH 3 small groups (3-6 guys), nobody pulling through, just Iden driving it like they weren't even there. No cameras anywhere to see this epic work and ability. Even THEN, he was dropping those guys off his wheel. Just riding them off. Insane talent and willingness to work.
And absolutely no pro at any WTS field EVER said Norge won't make it at longer racing. They knew the truth first hand...
Yee has never done that, ever, not for most the bike, and not even for small parts of the bike, which is what Norge did for years in draft legal WTS. KB did it in Tokyo and Paris too. Yee touched the front very few times, then off, as any good swim/runner SHOULD do in draft legal.
Pump the breaks on Yee's non-drafting potential. His past has NOTHING to indicate he would be good at non-drafting anything, even an olympic distance non-draft race. He's never driven the front of WTS races on the bike like Geens, Wilde, Norge did. A watt spike from Yee is not normalized power for 2 - 4 hours.
Talent is talent, reality is reality.
IF Yee ever went long and had success, I'd gladly eat crow and rub egg all over my face. I'm a huge Yee fan... His cross over stuff is insane fun to watch. But more important than that, I'm a fan of the sport
cute story
you must be high if you remember that time period that way, especially after Casper DnFed the first attempt
So what I've learned in this thread, to my surprise, is that Yee actually isn't very good at triathlon at all. All these years he, his team, and the British media have been gaslighting me into thinking he was good at the 3 disciplines rolled into 1 continuous event. When in fact I have now learned that he is a terrible swimmer, a weak cyclist, and a sort of good but not quite world class runner.
Thank goodness this board is here to enlighten me as I just took things such as the Olympic Golds as a sort of guarantee that he was a good triathlete. I now know better and won't be fooled or impressed by his shenanigans any longer.