I'm inclined to agree with you. His 3:45.14 in Februrary was astonishing (converts to 3:28 mid?) and showed that he could make a legit stab at both the 15/Mile records when fully peaked in July/August (3 seconds better). But the point concerning that he can't be in 12:30 shape plus 3:25 shape is fair. Really, the only person with a 1500m PB who has also run close to 12:30 was Daniel Komen but he was still significantly off from the times Jakob wants to achieve (3:25.95, 3:42.6?, 12:32?). I'll repeat it again, but really nobody has been shown to ever be in that kind shape in a season (June-September). What you're asking for would be pretty much GOAT status from him (other than more Olympic Golds). It would be even crazier than Coe holding the 800, 1000, 1500, and Mile WRs simultaneously. The last time somebody held the 1500, Mile, 2000, 3000, 2 Mile, and 5000 was Gunder Hagg but because of WW2 it could be argued he had it easy. In fact, I'd even argue it'd be on par with Bekele's World XC domination or Kipchoge running fast times from 5000-Marathon. It's that rare. Some hopful skepticism is fine here for a seemingly rare task like this. I hope he does it and Salvitore is proven wrong but the odds are even more against him with this reoccuring injury.
He needs to take down the 5000m WR early in the season, while he’s still fresh coming off base training.
People underestimate how easy are 60. laps for him. It doesn’t require much specific speed work — maybe none at all, considering he runs his 25×400 sessions at almost that pace and not even in spikes. All he needs is good weather and a rabbit who doesn’t screw it up. Stockholm or Oslo would be great choices (June 7 or 10).
After that, he can switch to specific 1500/mile speed work, maybe 2 or 3 prep races (Ostrava, Paris…), and then go for the mile WR in Eugene first. Then, why not target the 1500 WR in Monaco — although the jet lag could be tricky, so he might push that attempt to August, after the Euros (Silesia?).
I'm really excited for what's to come and hope he can stay healthy and have a strong build up.
I agree with the 5000. Ultimately the question becomes how much he lowers it if he’s at full fitness. Could be 12:30 to 12:34.
Mile is doable. He absolutely shouldn’t try in Eugene. The conditions are always sunny and windy, especially in July. Did you watch Pre this year, Nuguse looked like he was getting cooked by the heat. He should go for this record either in Monaco or in any of the August meets.
The 1500 is the only questionable one in my mind, and is the one that’ll make or break his legacy in terms of being the GOAT. It’ll require him to open in 55.5 max and then to run the next two laps as close to 55.0 as possible. He then will need to run exactly 40.2-40.3 for the last 300 like he has been doing in all of his PB races. The margins just seem too thin for me. I don’t think anyone can pace make him to 1200m too at those precise splits he need. Maybe Hoey or Kessler can?
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“Time is running out. No athlete at this level has more than 3-4 seasons of world record ability” is a central theme in your current post. And in several threads prior to this you have stressed that athletes have a short time window for their best senior performances…
Well, you have a point, and we can find athletes that align to this.
But the problem is that your absolute wording makes you wrong, because we can find well known athletes that exceed your 3-4 seasons and also your time window. Coe is an example here -he is not far from (even at some point has) the WR in one or more of his main events starting maybe in 1978, but definitely at least in 1979, and ending in 1986 (a 8-9 year span). And in my opinion he is a WR contender in at least six of these seasons.
So what about Jakob -well, you might be right. But you may also be wrong. Time will tell…
You have to be kidding me. You really don't understand what I am saying at all, do you.
There is a difference between being world class and then for the talented few who can rise above that to be historically great performers (WR holders). Coe is actually an awful example to give here if you want to dispel my opinion/hypothesis. The one data point you have that you think have to validate your counter is the 3.29.77 in 1986.
Coe's window was 1979-1982. 4 years. This was when he was at the absolute peak of his athletic ability. The 3.29.77 performance from 1986 (which even then was an outlier for Coe because his next best performance from 1983 until that run in 1986 was 3.32.12) a) wasn't the WR and b) simply points to him being able to really obliterate that record and have it down under 3.29.0 well before even Cram or Aouita came along - but unfortunately he quite simply didn't. There is zero other evidence you have to support Coe having this "WR ability" from 1983 to 86. I mean in all honesty did you even look at any numbers? His WA profile is quite complete and it's all there.
The 3 WR's he set in his career all came in 1981. 1.41.73, 2.12.18 and 3.47.33. And when you look at this season he only ran once over 1500m - the (in)famous 3.31.95 in Stockholm where the pacing was poor and absurdly fast - 52.43 (with him at maybe 53.3), 1.49.18 (him at 1.50.0) - so he basically ran it solo going 53.3, 56.7, 58.3, 43.6 for 3.31.95 which clearly in a sensibly paced race points to something in the high 3.28's especially with him being in sub 1.42 and sub 3.48 mile shape.
In 1983 his bests were 1.43.80, 3.35.1 and 3.52.9. In 1984 1.43.6, 3.32.4 and 3.54.6. 1985 1.43.07, 3.32.13, 3.49.22. And in 1986 1.44.10 and 3.29.77 (no mile performance). Again, all that one -off 1986 performance proves is that Coe was capable of so much better earlier in his career. The fact that was a massive outlier performance for him and it still didn't break the WR validates my opinion more than it does yours.
Saying "well he was injured/sick in some of those seasons" is irrelevant. That is part of the game. The reason you get injured/sick is because you push your body beyond it's limits and if you are at his level, the level of training needed to be a WR contender isn't long term sustainable.
By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.
El G 1998-2001 (he did run 3.26.89 in 02 but not sure he was a legit threat for that record like when he just missed it in 01). Morceli 1992-1995, Rudisha 2009-2012, Kipketer 1996-97, Komen 1996-1998, Bekele 04-08 across the 5 and the 10. I could continue for a while - who do you have other than Seb Coe who doesn't that criteria anyway, aside from it being your opinion?
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“Time is running out. No athlete at this level has more than 3-4 seasons of world record ability” is a central theme in your current post. And in several threads prior to this you have stressed that athletes have a short time window for their best senior performances…
Well, you have a point, and we can find athletes that align to this.
But the problem is that your absolute wording makes you wrong, because we can find well known athletes that exceed your 3-4 seasons and also your time window. Coe is an example here -he is not far from (even at some point has) the WR in one or more of his main events starting maybe in 1978, but definitely at least in 1979, and ending in 1986 (a 8-9 year span). And in my opinion he is a WR contender in at least six of these seasons.
So what about Jakob -well, you might be right. But you may also be wrong. Time will tell…
I think Coe was in 3:28 shape in 1986 and close to 3:27flat shape in 1981. Don't forget that stockholm race where he went out in 52/1:49. But...when the margins are so slim for Jakob (sub 3:26), he needs to be in maximum shape to beat that record, and that can't be more than 3-4 consecutive years. There's a subtle difference there.
My comment was to Salvitore’s “Time is running out. No athlete at this level has more than 3-4 seasons of world record ability”. -Coe was at this level, and he had world record ability for nearly a decade. And time isn’t necessarily running out -Coe was a week or so shy of 30 when he PB’ed with more than 2 sec in the 1500m, and was very close to the WR.
Is Jakob in a different situation? -Not necessarily. Just like all the seasons Coe didn’t break the 1500m WR, nor ran 3.29, he too may be in good enough shape, but (like Coe) miss out because of too stiff openings or prioritising champs. Could Jakob have run sub 3.26 if he had skipped OG 2024 and prioritised a time trail instead? Maybe not, or maybe very close, or maybe…
We don’t know how many years Jakob will get in top shape. Coe did his best 1500m in 1986 turning 30. So why wouldn’t Jakob be at his peak 5 years from now? Or even later? Burn out because he started so young? But we don’t know that, it can even be an advantage… Athletics is way too complicated for all this over certainty.
“Time is running out. No athlete at this level has more than 3-4 seasons of world record ability” is a central theme in your current post. And in several threads prior to this you have stressed that athletes have a short time window for their best senior performances…
Well, you have a point, and we can find athletes that align to this.
But the problem is that your absolute wording makes you wrong, because we can find well known athletes that exceed your 3-4 seasons and also your time window. Coe is an example here -he is not far from (even at some point has) the WR in one or more of his main events starting maybe in 1978, but definitely at least in 1979, and ending in 1986 (a 8-9 year span). And in my opinion he is a WR contender in at least six of these seasons.
So what about Jakob -well, you might be right. But you may also be wrong. Time will tell…
You have to be kidding me. You really don't understand what I am saying at all, do you.
There is a difference between being world class and then for the talented few who can rise above that to be historically great performers (WR holders). Coe is actually an awful example to give here if you want to dispel my opinion/hypothesis. The one data point you have that you think have to validate your counter is the 3.29.77 in 1986.
Coe's window was 1979-1982. 4 years. This was when he was at the absolute peak of his athletic ability. The 3.29.77 performance from 1986 (which even then was an outlier for Coe because his next best performance from 1983 until that run in 1986 was 3.32.12) a) wasn't the WR and b) simply points to him being able to really obliterate that record and have it down under 3.29.0 well before even Cram or Aouita came along - but unfortunately he quite simply didn't. There is zero other evidence you have to support Coe having this "WR ability" from 1983 to 86. I mean in all honesty did you even look at any numbers? His WA profile is quite complete and it's all there.
The 3 WR's he set in his career all came in 1981. 1.41.73, 2.12.18 and 3.47.33. And when you look at this season he only ran once over 1500m - the (in)famous 3.31.95 in Stockholm where the pacing was poor and absurdly fast - 52.43 (with him at maybe 53.3), 1.49.18 (him at 1.50.0) - so he basically ran it solo going 53.3, 56.7, 58.3, 43.6 for 3.31.95 which clearly in a sensibly paced race points to something in the high 3.28's especially with him being in sub 1.42 and sub 3.48 mile shape.
In 1983 his bests were 1.43.80, 3.35.1 and 3.52.9. In 1984 1.43.6, 3.32.4 and 3.54.6. 1985 1.43.07, 3.32.13, 3.49.22. And in 1986 1.44.10 and 3.29.77 (no mile performance). Again, all that one -off 1986 performance proves is that Coe was capable of so much better earlier in his career. The fact that was a massive outlier performance for him and it still didn't break the WR validates my opinion more than it does yours.
Saying "well he was injured/sick in some of those seasons" is irrelevant. That is part of the game. The reason you get injured/sick is because you push your body beyond it's limits and if you are at his level, the level of training needed to be a WR contender isn't long term sustainable.
By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.
El G 1998-2001 (he did run 3.26.89 in 02 but not sure he was a legit threat for that record like when he just missed it in 01). Morceli 1992-1995, Rudisha 2009-2012, Kipketer 1996-97, Komen 1996-1998, Bekele 04-08 across the 5 and the 10. I could continue for a while - who do you have other than Seb Coe who doesn't that criteria anyway, aside from it being your opinion?
It's amazing we already schooled you but you still double down on your stupidity. They say it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Coe PR-ed by 2 full secs and was just 0.3 sec off the WR, how was he not at his peak? And being 0.3 secs off the WR in a 1500 meant exactly he was a "WR contender" even though he didn't make it in the end. Has it ever occurred to you that the 800 and 1500 are just different (enough) events so you couldn't be in WR shape for both at the same time. 1500 is 80% aerobic, while 800 is only 55-60% so they are very different, even more different than 1500 to 5k (which is 90%), especially for faster runners. Regardless, Coe was still at the top of his game from 1979-86, not 1979-82 like you said.
Bekele also had a larger window than you suggested. The peak Bekele should be 03-09. At 03 he already broke the 10k WR (26:20, lowering it again to 26:17 at 05), and won the 10k World Championship in a sub-27 with a sub 13 second half, dethroning the then GOAT Geb. At 09 he pulled off the double with the 10k won in a CR (26.46) which still stands today. So that's 6 years.
Now let me add one more example, Cheptegei (2019-2024 and possibly beyond). He's clearly in WR shape already in Doha when he closed a sub 26:50 race in 54-55 but there's no Wavelight until 2020. And in 2024 he seemed to be in even better shape than 2020/2021, where he annihilated the OR with a 26:43 (closing in 54). Too bad he moved to the road, where, I believe, he doesn't belong (as opposed to Kiplimo), but there's no indication he's a shadow of his former self if he stuck with track and that's 5+ years for Chep.
So yeah, your "3-4 years window" theory has been debunked.
He needs to take down the 5000m WR early in the season, while he’s still fresh coming off base training.
People underestimate how easy are 60. laps for him. It doesn’t require much specific speed work — maybe none at all, considering he runs his 25×400 sessions at almost that pace and not even in spikes. All he needs is good weather and a rabbit who doesn’t screw it up. Stockholm or Oslo would be great choices (June 7 or 10).
After that, he can switch to specific 1500/mile speed work, maybe 2 or 3 prep races (Ostrava, Paris…), and then go for the mile WR in Eugene first. Then, why not target the 1500 WR in Monaco — although the jet lag could be tricky, so he might push that attempt to August, after the Euros (Silesia?).
I'm really excited for what's to come and hope he can stay healthy and have a strong build up.
I agree with the 5000. Ultimately the question becomes how much he lowers it if he’s at full fitness. Could be 12:30 to 12:34.
Mile is doable. He absolutely shouldn’t try in Eugene. The conditions are always sunny and windy, especially in July. Did you watch Pre this year, Nuguse looked like he was getting cooked by the heat. He should go for this record either in Monaco or in any of the August meets.
The 1500 is the only questionable one in my mind, and is the one that’ll make or break his legacy in terms of being the GOAT. It’ll require him to open in 55.5 max and then to run the next two laps as close to 55.0 as possible. He then will need to run exactly 40.2-40.3 for the last 300 like he has been doing in all of his PB races. The margins just seem too thin for me. I don’t think anyone can pace make him to 1200m too at those precise splits he need. Maybe Hoey or Kessler can?
5000m is actually by far the easiest for him as long as he's healthy. On the day he ran 7:17, had he run the 3k in 7:37, he would've easily run the next 2k under 4:58.
The real tricky one is ironically the 1500, the distance he cares the most.
I'm inclined to agree with you. His 3:45.14 in Februrary was astonishing (converts to 3:28 mid?) and showed that he could make a legit stab at both the 15/Mile records when fully peaked in July/August (3 seconds better). But the point concerning that he can't be in 12:30 shape plus 3:25 shape is fair. Really, the only person with a 1500m PB who has also run close to 12:30 was Daniel Komen but he was still significantly off from the times Jakob wants to achieve (3:25.95, 3:42.6?, 12:32?). I'll repeat it again, but really nobody has been shown to ever be in that kind shape in a season (June-September). What you're asking for would be pretty much GOAT status from him (other than more Olympic Golds). It would be even crazier than Coe holding the 800, 1000, 1500, and Mile WRs simultaneously. The last time somebody held the 1500, Mile, 2000, 3000, 2 Mile, and 5000 was Gunder Hagg but because of WW2 it could be argued he had it easy. In fact, I'd even argue it'd be on par with Bekele's World XC domination or Kipchoge running fast times from 5000-Marathon. It's that rare. Some hopful skepticism is fine here for a seemingly rare task like this. I hope he does it and Salvitore is proven wrong but the odds are even more against him with this reoccuring injury.
He needs to take down the 5000m WR early in the season, while he’s still fresh coming off base training.
People underestimate how easy are 60. laps for him. It doesn’t require much specific speed work — maybe none at all, considering he runs his 25×400 sessions at almost that pace and not even in spikes. All he needs is good weather and a rabbit who doesn’t screw it up. Stockholm or Oslo would be great choices (June 7 or 10).
After that, he can switch to specific 1500/mile speed work, maybe 2 or 3 prep races (Ostrava, Paris…), and then go for the mile WR in Eugene first. Then, why not target the 1500 WR in Monaco — although the jet lag could be tricky, so he might push that attempt to August, after the Euros (Silesia?).
I'm really excited for what's to come and hope he can stay healthy and have a strong build up.
Good post. 4:00-4:10 pace work is basically bread and butter for him. He can pretty much do it in his sleep. That's why I also don't think he would be less susceptible to injuries than many other milers. He's not busting his ass off doing all those speedworks. And honestly, I suspect his injury was attributable to the "X-factor workout", those hill sprints, not mileage and threshold. Pretty sure going forward he would adjust. The flip side, though, is that the 1500m would be more difficult for him. Still, with his yearly progression so far, there's no reason to think he doesn't stand a chance in the future.
He needs to take down the 5000m WR early in the season, while he’s still fresh coming off base training.
People underestimate how easy are 60. laps for him. It doesn’t require much specific speed work — maybe none at all, considering he runs his 25×400 sessions at almost that pace and not even in spikes. All he needs is good weather and a rabbit who doesn’t screw it up. Stockholm or Oslo would be great choices (June 7 or 10).
After that, he can switch to specific 1500/mile speed work, maybe 2 or 3 prep races (Ostrava, Paris…), and then go for the mile WR in Eugene first. Then, why not target the 1500 WR in Monaco — although the jet lag could be tricky, so he might push that attempt to August, after the Euros (Silesia?).
I'm really excited for what's to come and hope he can stay healthy and have a strong build up.
Good post. 4:00-4:10 pace work is basically bread and butter for him. He can pretty much do it in his sleep. That's why I also think he would be less susceptible to injuries than many other milers. He's not busting his ass off doing all those speedworks. And honestly, I suspect his injury was attributable to the "X-factor workout", those hill sprints, not mileage and threshold. Pretty sure going forward he would adjust. The flip side, though, is that the 1500m would be more difficult for him. Still, with his yearly progression so far, there's no reason to think he doesn't stand a chance in the future.
You have to be kidding me. You really don't understand what I am saying at all, do you.
There is a difference between being world class and then for the talented few who can rise above that to be historically great performers (WR holders). Coe is actually an awful example to give here if you want to dispel my opinion/hypothesis. The one data point you have that you think have to validate your counter is the 3.29.77 in 1986.
Coe's window was 1979-1982. 4 years. This was when he was at the absolute peak of his athletic ability. The 3.29.77 performance from 1986 (which even then was an outlier for Coe because his next best performance from 1983 until that run in 1986 was 3.32.12) a) wasn't the WR and b) simply points to him being able to really obliterate that record and have it down under 3.29.0 well before even Cram or Aouita came along - but unfortunately he quite simply didn't. There is zero other evidence you have to support Coe having this "WR ability" from 1983 to 86. I mean in all honesty did you even look at any numbers? His WA profile is quite complete and it's all there.
The 3 WR's he set in his career all came in 1981. 1.41.73, 2.12.18 and 3.47.33. And when you look at this season he only ran once over 1500m - the (in)famous 3.31.95 in Stockholm where the pacing was poor and absurdly fast - 52.43 (with him at maybe 53.3), 1.49.18 (him at 1.50.0) - so he basically ran it solo going 53.3, 56.7, 58.3, 43.6 for 3.31.95 which clearly in a sensibly paced race points to something in the high 3.28's especially with him being in sub 1.42 and sub 3.48 mile shape.
In 1983 his bests were 1.43.80, 3.35.1 and 3.52.9. In 1984 1.43.6, 3.32.4 and 3.54.6. 1985 1.43.07, 3.32.13, 3.49.22. And in 1986 1.44.10 and 3.29.77 (no mile performance). Again, all that one -off 1986 performance proves is that Coe was capable of so much better earlier in his career. The fact that was a massive outlier performance for him and it still didn't break the WR validates my opinion more than it does yours.
Saying "well he was injured/sick in some of those seasons" is irrelevant. That is part of the game. The reason you get injured/sick is because you push your body beyond it's limits and if you are at his level, the level of training needed to be a WR contender isn't long term sustainable.
By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.
El G 1998-2001 (he did run 3.26.89 in 02 but not sure he was a legit threat for that record like when he just missed it in 01). Morceli 1992-1995, Rudisha 2009-2012, Kipketer 1996-97, Komen 1996-1998, Bekele 04-08 across the 5 and the 10. I could continue for a while - who do you have other than Seb Coe who doesn't that criteria anyway, aside from it being your opinion?
Yes, as a matter a fact I had looked at the numbers in Coe’s profile. And therefore I can claim that your sentence “The 3 WR's he set in his career all came in 1981. 1.41.73, 2.12.18 and 3.47.33.” contains more than one error. (Hint: See if you can recall a couple of more WR’s by Coe). But that isn’t important. Neither is all your paragraphs of how much faster our famous Brit could have run early in his career and why -I don’t disagree at all in that.
The key sentence is your “WR breaking ability”. I claim that Coe had this ability, not only when he broke the records, but also some other years when he was near the WR, or clearly could have been (even bettering it) if he hadn’t screwed things up (the pace, the priorities, +++). And I claim he had this ability through a long span of years, with some weak ones in between. And his run in 1986 is a near WR, and therefore an ability. And it doesn’t help that you think he was better in his younger years -that is not the discussion . -We are debating your chosen words about time window and how many years one might be able to shine..
You used the phrase “No athlete” clearly meaning none, and I just chose Coe from the top of my head, because I knew you couldn’t be right in such an absolute claim. That doesn’t mean there are plenty of other examples, but that was not my point. The point was that the example of Coe shows that a larger window is possible. And a guy like Kipchoge could maybe also been seen as an athlete with long time WR ability (The Marathon), e.g from 2013 -2022..? And maybe a research could find some more..?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen tell norwegian press he is aiming for breaking the 1500, mile and 5000 in the upcoming season. He is already picking the time and place for it. Can he do it?
Wouldn't be surprised if Hocker broke some of these. The sky is the limit for him
Your so naive and at worse liar. Probably aged 20 to 30s.
You know how many talents are in that continent with 1.56 Billions population?
Personally I would feel shy taking that attitude (hcham chweya), for El G. or any other runner. Or is it your nature to constantly boast you Nordic living with the penguins?
We are all born with 4 members and a head and we all go to toilette the morning.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen tell norwegian press he is aiming for breaking the 1500, mile and 5000 in the upcoming season. He is already picking the time and place for it. Can he do it?
He has small chances to win any worldwide title in the 1500m.
There are too much runners who have a killing finish.
You never end with your arrogance.
Jakob didn't mention championship victories; rather, he mentioned world records. It is, to me, not unreasonable to believe that Jakob can set some additional world records, and I don't think he is arrogant to believe or even say that.
Your so naive and at worse liar. Probably aged 20 to 30s.
You know how many talents are in that continent with 1.56 Billions population?
Personally I would feel shy taking that attitude (hcham chweya), for El G. or any other runner. Or is it your nature to constantly boast you Nordic living with the penguins?
We are all born with 4 members and a head and we all go to toilette the morning.
There are some penguins in the zoos in the Nordic countries. But originally (in the wild) these birds live as long away from the Nordic region as possible ((South America/The Antarctics)…
You wrote: “By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.”
Well, I gave you Kipchoge (added to Coe) in my last answer. And an other poster has come up with some other, well known athletes.
Since I’m not an athletic nerd I sometimes must rely on my gut feeling. And it’s quite strong here, because we know that quite a few athletes on a slightly lower level (than WR breaking abilities) have had long consistent careers. So why wouldn’t there be some athletes on the next level (the WR breaking one) that could manage to be long time consistent when they after all have reached that level? And lo and behold the guys exist! -Again, just on top of my head, a couple of pole vaulters came to mind: Mondo Duplantis has now broken the WR in six seasons, and Bubka did it in ten….
And on the women side: What about Kipyegon? Do you think she has to be done now, showing WR ability since 2021..?
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You wrote: “By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.”
Well, I gave you Kipchoge (added to Coe) in my last answer. And an other poster has come up with some other, well known athletes.
Since I’m not an athletic nerd I sometimes must rely on my gut feeling. And it’s quite strong here, because we know that quite a few athletes on a slightly lower level (than WR breaking abilities) have had long consistent careers. So why wouldn’t there be some athletes on the next level (the WR breaking one) that could manage to be long time consistent when they after all have reached that level? And lo and behold the guys exist! -Again, just on top of my head, a couple of pole vaulters came to mind: Mondo Duplantis has now broken the WR in six seasons, and Bubka did it in ten….
And on the women side: What about Kipyegon? Do you think she has to be done now, showing WR ability since 2021..?
I have discovered that there’s not acquired a lot of thinking to come up with athletes that break the 3-4 years window: Jakob Kiplimo -57.37 in the HM in 2020 and a new WR 2025…
Bekele also had a larger window than you suggested. The peak Bekele should be 03-09. At 03 he already broke the 10k WR (26:20, lowering it again to 26:17 at 05), and won the 10k World Championship in a sub-27 with a sub 13 second half, dethroning the then GOAT Geb. At 09 he pulled off the double with the 10k won in a CR (26.46) which still stands today. So that's 6 years.
Just wanted to add that Bekele was just 2 seconds short of the marathon world record in 2019, not the same event obviously but still remarkable to be running at WR level 15 years later.
I have discovered that there’s not acquired a lot of thinking to come up with athletes that break the 3-4 years window: Jakob Kiplimo -57.37 in the HM in 2020 and a new WR 2025…
Great example, he was within 1 minute of his current PB! Essentially at his peak! No different at all!
I think you are trolling SS, and I didn't agree with him earlier in the thread on everything, but come on.
So he's gonna get faster by training less? Bannister was right all along - train like an office gent. Pretty dumb of Jakob to train so hard all those years, when he would been better to back off.
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.