You’re such a loser! You have no evidence and the only arguments you can ever come up for why BYU runners are doping applies equally to Tuohy and NC State. But anytime this is brought up you suddenly disappear from the thread. There’s a reason why you the only upvotes your posts get are from you.
Also, I thought you gave up on the sport. You really should.
Yes. Jane ran faster at 18 than Tuohy will ever run. He can't deal with it.
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There is no reason to bring Tuohy's name in this 2025 discussion and after 2026 Parker's name maybe irrelevant in US Greatest Female Collegiate Competitor.
Valby unquestionably in the conversation for "US Greatest Female Collegiate Competitor." And despite being a big fan of Jane Hedengren, it is way too early to throw her into that conversation yet. She certainly has that trajectory, but nothing is a guarantee.
My personal Mt Rushmore, in no particular order, would be Favor, Huber, Skieresz, and Valby.
9 – Suzy Favor (Hamilton) (Wisconsin) Indoor mile (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1988) Indoor mile (1989) Outdoor 1500 (1989) Indoor mile (1990) Indoor 3000 (1990) Outdoor 800 (1990) Outdoor 1500 (1990) **Never lost an NCAA final race (9 wins in 9 races)** ** Only 800m NCAA Champion to finish in the top-10 in Cross Country, 2nd in ’86, 21st in ’87, 5th in ’88, 2nd in ‘90** **Only runner to win the same event four straight years (Outdoor 1500m)**
8 – Vicki Huber (Villanova) Indoor 3000 (1987) Outdoor 3000 (1987) Indoor mile (1988) Indoor 3000 (1988) Outdoor 3000 (1988) Indoor 3000 (1989) Outdoor 3000 (1989) Cross Country (1989) **Placed 6th in Seoul Olympics during the summer between her junior and senior seasons** **Won Cross Country title by 27 seconds, 2nd largest margin of victory ever** **Collegiate record in 3000 lasted for 34 years**
7 – Amy Skieresz (Arizona) Cross Country (1996) Indoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 10000 (1997) Indoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 10000 (1998) **Three runner-up finishes in cross country – scored 7 points total in four races** **Only competed 8 seasons (4x cross country, 2x indoor, 2x outdoor)** ** Only lost four races in her career, three of which were Runner-up finishes at the NCAA Cross Country Championships** ** Won both 10000m titles by over 60 seconds, largest margins of victory in NCAA history in any event including cross country ** Only runner to complete the outdoor 5K/10K double twice**
6 – Parker Valby (Florida) Outdoor 5000 (2023) Cross Country (2023) Indoor 5000 (2024) Indoor 3000 (2024) Outdoor 10000 (2024) Outdoor 5000 (2024) **Only runner to win six NCAA titles within a span of one year** **First collegiate runner to break 15:00 in the 5000 (accomplished it four times)** **Only collegiate runner to break 31:00 for 10000 (accomplished it twice)**
5 – Jen Rhines (Villanova) Outdoor 5000 (1994) Cross Country (1994) Indoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1996)
Come off it. We all know it when something in this sport is suspect. You know it too. Just the people on here like to feign ignorance and deny. The examples people have tried to rationalize in here are pitiful. But as I have warned, the moment the guardrails came off and people decided that doping in college distance running was fine, then all bets were off and it was inevitably going to infect high school as well. It is the Mark McGuire effect.
Come off it. We all know it when something in this sport is suspect. You know it too. Just the people on here like to feign ignorance and deny. The examples people have tried to rationalize in here are pitiful. But as I have warned, the moment the guardrails came off and people decided that doping in college distance running was fine, then all bets were off and it was inevitably going to infect high school as well. It is the Mark McGuire effect.
You’re an absolute loser! “We all know it” isn’t evidence moron. There is significantly more evidence that Tuohy was doping and served a “silent suspension” than Valby, and there is no evidence that any BYU athlete has ever doped, let alone the entire program, as you have libelously claimed. The only pitiful thing on here is you.
Valby unquestionably in the conversation for "US Greatest Female Collegiate Competitor." And despite being a big fan of Jane Hedengren, it is way too early to throw her into that conversation yet. She certainly has that trajectory, but nothing is a guarantee.
My personal Mt Rushmore, in no particular order, would be Favor, Huber, Skieresz, and Valby.
9 – Suzy Favor (Hamilton) (Wisconsin) Indoor mile (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1988) Indoor mile (1989) Outdoor 1500 (1989) Indoor mile (1990) Indoor 3000 (1990) Outdoor 800 (1990) Outdoor 1500 (1990) **Never lost an NCAA final race (9 wins in 9 races)** ** Only 800m NCAA Champion to finish in the top-10 in Cross Country, 2nd in ’86, 21st in ’87, 5th in ’88, 2nd in ‘90** **Only runner to win the same event four straight years (Outdoor 1500m)**
8 – Vicki Huber (Villanova) Indoor 3000 (1987) Outdoor 3000 (1987) Indoor mile (1988) Indoor 3000 (1988) Outdoor 3000 (1988) Indoor 3000 (1989) Outdoor 3000 (1989) Cross Country (1989) **Placed 6th in Seoul Olympics during the summer between her junior and senior seasons** **Won Cross Country title by 27 seconds, 2nd largest margin of victory ever** **Collegiate record in 3000 lasted for 34 years**
7 – Amy Skieresz (Arizona) Cross Country (1996) Indoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 10000 (1997) Indoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 10000 (1998) **Three runner-up finishes in cross country – scored 7 points total in four races** **Only competed 8 seasons (4x cross country, 2x indoor, 2x outdoor)** ** Only lost four races in her career, three of which were Runner-up finishes at the NCAA Cross Country Championships** ** Won both 10000m titles by over 60 seconds, largest margins of victory in NCAA history in any event including cross country ** Only runner to complete the outdoor 5K/10K double twice**
6 – Parker Valby (Florida) Outdoor 5000 (2023) Cross Country (2023) Indoor 5000 (2024) Indoor 3000 (2024) Outdoor 10000 (2024) Outdoor 5000 (2024) **Only runner to win six NCAA titles within a span of one year** **First collegiate runner to break 15:00 in the 5000 (accomplished it four times)** **Only collegiate runner to break 31:00 for 10000 (accomplished it twice)**
5 – Jen Rhines (Villanova) Outdoor 5000 (1994) Cross Country (1994) Indoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1996)
How about 4 NCAA Cross Country INDIVIDUAL CHAMPIOPIONSHIPS, Some have won 3 but noone has 4 yet
And so far Hedengren hasn't even won one "CHAMPIOPIONSHIPS". Let's wait for her to win one before we start talking about her winning four.
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That's true, you have win one first to even contemplate winning 4. If she stays healthy she has a great chance as only athlete who I feel can beat a fit Jane is a fully fit Doris L this X Country season.
To beat a healthy Jane her competitor will have to be in sub 18 minutes 6k shape, meaning capable of running sub 15 minutes for 5000m on a cross like Jane ran for BIG 12. I just think she has already made another leap in fitness from High School just from her increased mileage and training partners in college.
All of them. She will hold every CR from 800 to 10,000 by the time she graduates if she doesn't decide to go pro before then.
So far fastest collegian with American citizenship at 3000. Outright records in 5k indoors and 10k out. As Hendgren has run faster than Valby's outdoor 5000 record, its on borrowed time.
All of them. She will hold every CR from 800 to 10,000 by the time she graduates if she doesn't decide to go pro before then.
So far fastest collegian with American citizenship at 3000. Outright records in 5k indoors and 10k out. As Hendgren has run faster than Valby's outdoor 5000 record, its on borrowed time.
Only two more weeks of borrowed time. Hopefully Jane running the 5k at Bryan Clay in 2 weeks will be live streamed.
So far fastest collegian with American citizenship at 3000. Outright records in 5k indoors and 10k out. As Hendgren has run faster than Valby's outdoor 5000 record, its on borrowed time.
Only two more weeks of borrowed time. Hopefully Jane running the 5k at Bryan Clay in 2 weeks will be live streamed.
What is really considered world class for women? If in 3 years she goes 14:18, 29:50, I'd think that is world class, barely. Won't win WC or Olympic title though, but I bet she can run those times.
14:18 will be about 45th best performance in 3 years time.
Valby unquestionably in the conversation for "US Greatest Female Collegiate Competitor." And despite being a big fan of Jane Hedengren, it is way too early to throw her into that conversation yet. She certainly has that trajectory, but nothing is a guarantee.
My personal Mt Rushmore, in no particular order, would be Favor, Huber, Skieresz, and Valby.
9 – Suzy Favor (Hamilton) (Wisconsin) Indoor mile (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1988) Indoor mile (1989) Outdoor 1500 (1989) Indoor mile (1990) Indoor 3000 (1990) Outdoor 800 (1990) Outdoor 1500 (1990) **Never lost an NCAA final race (9 wins in 9 races)** ** Only 800m NCAA Champion to finish in the top-10 in Cross Country, 2nd in ’86, 21st in ’87, 5th in ’88, 2nd in ‘90** **Only runner to win the same event four straight years (Outdoor 1500m)**
8 – Vicki Huber (Villanova) Indoor 3000 (1987) Outdoor 3000 (1987) Indoor mile (1988) Indoor 3000 (1988) Outdoor 3000 (1988) Indoor 3000 (1989) Outdoor 3000 (1989) Cross Country (1989) **Placed 6th in Seoul Olympics during the summer between her junior and senior seasons** **Won Cross Country title by 27 seconds, 2nd largest margin of victory ever** **Collegiate record in 3000 lasted for 34 years**
7 – Amy Skieresz (Arizona) Cross Country (1996) Indoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 10000 (1997) Indoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 10000 (1998) **Three runner-up finishes in cross country – scored 7 points total in four races** **Only competed 8 seasons (4x cross country, 2x indoor, 2x outdoor)** ** Only lost four races in her career, three of which were Runner-up finishes at the NCAA Cross Country Championships** ** Won both 10000m titles by over 60 seconds, largest margins of victory in NCAA history in any event including cross country ** Only runner to complete the outdoor 5K/10K double twice**
6 – Parker Valby (Florida) Outdoor 5000 (2023) Cross Country (2023) Indoor 5000 (2024) Indoor 3000 (2024) Outdoor 10000 (2024) Outdoor 5000 (2024) **Only runner to win six NCAA titles within a span of one year** **First collegiate runner to break 15:00 in the 5000 (accomplished it four times)** **Only collegiate runner to break 31:00 for 10000 (accomplished it twice)**
5 – Jen Rhines (Villanova) Outdoor 5000 (1994) Cross Country (1994) Indoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1996)
Valby unquestionably in the conversation for "US Greatest Female Collegiate Competitor." And despite being a big fan of Jane Hedengren, it is way too early to throw her into that conversation yet. She certainly has that trajectory, but nothing is a guarantee.
My personal Mt Rushmore, in no particular order, would be Favor, Huber, Skieresz, and Valby.
9 – Suzy Favor (Hamilton) (Wisconsin) Indoor mile (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1987) Outdoor 1500 (1988) Indoor mile (1989) Outdoor 1500 (1989) Indoor mile (1990) Indoor 3000 (1990) Outdoor 800 (1990) Outdoor 1500 (1990) **Never lost an NCAA final race (9 wins in 9 races)** ** Only 800m NCAA Champion to finish in the top-10 in Cross Country, 2nd in ’86, 21st in ’87, 5th in ’88, 2nd in ‘90** **Only runner to win the same event four straight years (Outdoor 1500m)**
8 – Vicki Huber (Villanova) Indoor 3000 (1987) Outdoor 3000 (1987) Indoor mile (1988) Indoor 3000 (1988) Outdoor 3000 (1988) Indoor 3000 (1989) Outdoor 3000 (1989) Cross Country (1989) **Placed 6th in Seoul Olympics during the summer between her junior and senior seasons** **Won Cross Country title by 27 seconds, 2nd largest margin of victory ever** **Collegiate record in 3000 lasted for 34 years**
7 – Amy Skieresz (Arizona) Cross Country (1996) Indoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 5000 (1997) Outdoor 10000 (1997) Indoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 5000 (1998) Outdoor 10000 (1998) **Three runner-up finishes in cross country – scored 7 points total in four races** **Only competed 8 seasons (4x cross country, 2x indoor, 2x outdoor)** ** Only lost four races in her career, three of which were Runner-up finishes at the NCAA Cross Country Championships** ** Won both 10000m titles by over 60 seconds, largest margins of victory in NCAA history in any event including cross country ** Only runner to complete the outdoor 5K/10K double twice**
6 – Parker Valby (Florida) Outdoor 5000 (2023) Cross Country (2023) Indoor 5000 (2024) Indoor 3000 (2024) Outdoor 10000 (2024) Outdoor 5000 (2024) **Only runner to win six NCAA titles within a span of one year** **First collegiate runner to break 15:00 in the 5000 (accomplished it four times)** **Only collegiate runner to break 31:00 for 10000 (accomplished it twice)**
5 – Jen Rhines (Villanova) Outdoor 5000 (1994) Cross Country (1994) Indoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1995) Outdoor 5000 (1996)
Jenny Simpson née Barringer? Set records at pretty much every distance she raced that stood for a long time.
I would not put Simpson in the all-time top-4 US collegiate females. She only ever won 4 NCAA titles and three of them were in the steeplechase when the SC was just beginning. Never won a cross country title, either.