Jakob Ingebrigtsen officially confirms he is injury free and will run in Tokyo

this and this wrote:

Jakob seems to want to win but he wants to do it his way. That means running a fast race to the maximum extent of his ability. His ideal race would be to run a personal record, also a world record, and of course that means he would win.

Sure he likes to win but it seems like winning is not the ultimate goal. Who knows he might be happy if he gives his best and runs a 3:25 1500, even if he finished second after being passed near the end.

Thus, when he loses, we often hear him say that it is because he did not run his best race. He likely knows what his best race has been and what it should and can be, is and is disappointed when he does not run it.

He knows this has not been a good build up to World's this year. He likely knows it is unlikely he will be able to run a race that approaches his maximum ability.

Can he be satisfied with a lesser final result that only reflects his best effort for his ability on the day?

You have to respect him for trying to show up and do the best he can, even if he knows he is not at his best,

shirtboy2022 wrote:

this and this wrote:

Jakob seems to want to win but he wants to do it his way. That means running a fast race to the maximum extent of his ability. His ideal race would be to run a personal record, also a world record, and of course that means he would win.

Sure he likes to win but it seems like winning is not the ultimate goal. Who knows he might be happy if he gives his best and runs a 3:25 1500, even if he finished second after being passed near the end.

Thus, when he loses, we often hear him say that it is because he did not run his best race. He likely knows what his best race has been and what it should and can be, is and is disappointed when he does not run it.

He knows this has not been a good build up to World's this year. He likely knows it is unlikely he will be able to run a race that approaches his maximum ability.

Can he be satisfied with a lesser final result that only reflects his best effort for his ability on the day?

You have to respect him for trying to show up and do the best he can, even if he knows he is not at his best,

you guys are buying the spin room take on too much of this

call some of us old fashioned but when you get to those levels, championship wins matter.

hes got the 5000m, the door is well open in the 1500m however

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Reddy! wrote:

Another way of looking at Pre:

Hocker only finished 4th in his "home" Oregon meet as the top Nike athlete in the field, barely beating a 19 year old Myers and almost being pipped on the line by a fast finishing RCheruiyot.

This kind of race and finish for Hocker has been been on repeat since post-Paris Diamond Leagues and both at GST and USA's, where he failed to win any "tactical" races - his self proclaimed strength. Hardly what I would call limited results to assess Hocker.

Again I said it wasn’t near his best. He’d have to be a lot better by Tokyo and he was trending up at USAs. Yes only 3rd there, but won the 5,000 and the 1,500 he blew it tactically ~ the splits hold up compared to the last two DLs

There is no guarantee Hocker comes good at Championships - same for Kerr. Their history is of both setting an SB and running their best race of the season at them. Even Kerr in his unmotivated 2022, and Hocker in his injury-plagued 2023.

I think counting them out in favor of Jakob/J Koech (dealing with injuries), P Koech (not able to kick at the top level), Habz (unimpressive of late, poor championship/peaking record), Nordas (only mildly impressive this year), Moe Berg (completely unproven), Nillessen (closer to Pihlstrom than the top of the event) is weird. Hocker should be firmly in the mix based on last year.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

shirtboy2022 wrote:

Toyko Olympics was the smartest race tactically hes ever run.

Took it out just fast enough to bait one of the Kenyans to take it and sat until the final kick. He saw the rds previously and knew how TC had previously approached global championships — it was a master class for him.

His 5000m races are much better tactically where he plays everyone and maximizes every advantage in his arsenal. Unfortunately we’ve seen some lapses/illnesses for the 1500 globally

Tokyo was not the smartest race tactically Jakob has ever run. -There are clear signs of him irritating over Cheruiyot dominating the race too much. Because Jakob wants to win his races in a dominant fashion (if possible ), and not as a weak parasite -so Jakob leading 2 or 300m longer before the Kenyan passed him would probably have been ideal. The finish time would then also probably been better -far more important than a lousy OG gold. Because time says something about capacity (which is the only thing -if you get it out- that can make you and all time great). And not a random win (e.g because Cheruiyot was injured, the level of the competition was low, and so on)…

Jakob is the real deal, not because of his medals, but because of his obvious resources he just need to get out. Most of you guys think positioning and tactics is what running is about, but I don’t - to me it’s about balancing your own resources in the race so your time will be as fast as possible. The next guy should be of little interest (aside of contributing to the pace, but not as much as Cheruiyot did; too much help puts an asterisk to your time).

But I also get your perspective: Guys like Hocker, Kerr and Nuguse, that in 2024 would only be 3.28 mid/high athletes in a normal race are far more interesting to watch if they can win something or be drafted to good times. -I get that, and I also thinks it’s exciting. But the road to greatness isn’t winning a global champs -Paris was totally random between Hocker, Kerr and Nuguse -luck/unlucky/a little difference in positioning, or who Jakob chose to block, and so forth. -Paris wasn’t Cole’s best race; that came when he contributed to Grant’s 3000m indoor WR -by being decent, and by building over distance capability so he can become a good 1500m runner sometimes in the future. (A real sub 3.28 man like Habz and Jakob)…

this and this wrote:

Jakob seems to want to win but he wants to do it his way. That means running a fast race to the maximum extent of his ability. His ideal race would be to run a personal record, also a world record, and of course that means he would win.

Sure he likes to win but it seems like winning is not the ultimate goal. Who knows he might be happy if he gives his best and runs a 3:25 1500, even if he finished second after being passed near the end.

Thus, when he loses, we often hear him say that it is because he did not run his best race. He likely knows what his best race has been and what it should and can be, is and is disappointed when he does not run it.

He knows this has not been a good build up to World's this year. He likely knows it is unlikely he will be able to run a race that approaches his maximum ability.

Can he be satisfied with a lesser final result that only reflects his best effort for his ability on the day?

You have to respect him for trying to show up and do the best he can, even if he knows he is not at his best,

ndxc02 wrote:

He’s got nothing to lose this year. Nobody expects him to win the 1500. He should jog the rounds like he always does and kick the last 600. Then in the final, he should sit in 2nd place and dare whoever is leading to take the pace. Look at El G in 2004 for an example. If he’s feeling good enough, lead the last 700-800 but not a step before then. He must be able to ratchet down the pace to pull that off though. It’ll take the kick out of the kickers and then positioning in the last 100m will be paramount (assuming he is still accelerating the last 100m). He doesn’t need to close in 12.5 if the previous 100s were all slightly faster than the rest (i.e. 13.0, 13.3, 13.5, 13.7 - 53.5 last lap is fast enough as long as the previous 400 was a 55 and he closes in 1;48).

the 5K should be the usual strategy. Anyone suggesting the Ethiopians will push the pace is foolish. They have never done it (other than prime Bekele) and they won’t do it in hot and humid Tokyo. Jingy will sit and wait until the last 400-600. I think he’s the favorite and the rounds of the 1500 will actually help him get ready for the 5K (schedule is kind in that the 5K semi is 2 days after the 1500m final).

will be very interesting. Can’t wait to see how it all unfolds.

Kickers usually win wrote:

That’s nonsense, for him and everyone else at his level, winning is everything. When he runs at a WC or the Olympics, anything less than a win is going home devastated. He’ll run whatever strategy he thinks will give him his best chance of a win and he’ll leave chasing PRs for DL meets.

I don’t think you get sports or understand the pressure Ingebrigtsen is under at championships. The losses to Wightman and Kerr were crushing defeats for him, and in Paris, he thought the only way to win was from the front. If he thought he could win like Centro did, he would have used that strategy instead.

If he’s healthy, but probably not competitive, he would be an outlier if he chose not to run. Can you name a runner that has done that? Kipchoge was pretty messed up before the Olympics last year but still gave it a shot.