I would like to hear more shout outs to small town, small enrollment, lower income school coaches. Jim white is retired but I know there are a lot of coaches out there that have prospered despite all the above mentioned challenges. It’s a lot harder to be consistently successful if you can only recruit from 300 kids that don’t even know what cross country is and their parents aren't pushing them beyond their limit.
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Examples wrote:
I’d say Joe Newton was the greatest HS coach of all time.
Doug Soles is probably the best of all the HS coaches still around
If you wanted to get picky, Soles had 2 teams in the top 10 his first year at Herriman, because that Great Oak team were athletes he developed. It's true.
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Neal Blackburn, Rockbridge HS Columbia,Mo.. State titles and numerous D 1 runners but it's his team culture and participation numbers that are so exceptional.
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yay marxism wrote:
He's not holding back his training is just super similar to what the guys at BYU do. So for the athletes that go there it’s basically just a continuation of their HS training which helps with improving at the next level. I agree that HS training does not usually affect your peak later on and when most athletes don't improve in college its either do to outside factors(getting a job, focusing on school etc) or major changes in training(low to high volume etc).
Guys on scholarships do not need to get a part-time job. College coaches do not hand out scholarships like candy and expect a return from their investment. I’ve heard about runners being told, “You’re on a scholarship, now perform!”. Athletes know about the academic demands of college before committing to a school, and are expected to manage their time without detracting from their running. Track and XC actually require less of a time commitment than most of the other sports.
When I said the part about athletes moving on in college I was referring to people like Isaac Cortes who stopped running. Same with Liam Anderson and others. People find other hobbies and choose not to make their post HS life about running.
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Examples wrote:
What about the Kranicks?
Abusing your athletes disqualifies you from the discussion.
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IMDiesel wrote:
I would like to hear more shout outs to small town, small enrollment, lower income school coaches. Jim white is retired but I know there are a lot of coaches out there that have prospered despite all the above mentioned challenges. It’s a lot harder to be consistently successful if you can only recruit from 300 kids that don’t even know what cross country is and their parents aren't pushing them beyond their limit.
If you are looking for rural schools I would say Loftus at Crater meets your definition. I don't know any super good teams with 300 kids at the school but Crater is rural and not a super school.
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yay marxism wrote:
Kickers usually win wrote:
Guys on scholarships do not need to get a part-time job. College coaches do not hand out scholarships like candy and expect a return from their investment. I’ve heard about runners being told, “You’re on a scholarship, now perform!”. Athletes know about the academic demands of college before committing to a school, and are expected to manage their time without detracting from their running. Track and XC actually require less of a time commitment than most of the other sports.
When I said the part about athletes moving on in college I was referring to people like Isaac Cortes who stopped running. Same with Liam Anderson and others. People find other hobbies and choose not to make their post HS life about running.
How does that work? I assume Anderson was on a scholarship. Could he find other hobbies and not make college about running and still retain his scholarship?
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Kickers usually win wrote:
yay marxism wrote:
When I said the part about athletes moving on in college I was referring to people like Isaac Cortes who stopped running. Same with Liam Anderson and others. People find other hobbies and choose not to make their post HS life about running.
How does that work? I assume Anderson was on a scholarship. Could he find other hobbies and not make college about running and still retain his scholarship?
He was good enough academically I assume. I think he also got an award or acknowledgment by Stanford for helping with search and rescue at some point which definitely helps.
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I heard a coach from Albertus Magnus speak in the 70's. I can't remember his name. They had a student population of about 150 and had won the Postal championship. I remember him saying something like their 20th man ran 10:15 for the 2-mile.
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Not someone who coaches at a large suburban public school or private school. The shear numbers, demographics, and ability to recruit make it too easy for a coach at these types of schools. But someone that produces consistently good XC teams at an under 1k rural or urban public school.
Impossible question, change the title to best mid distance/distance coach. Lame to begin with because these events are pretty basic to coach. Highlight coaches that develop sprinters and field combo athletes or that have developed well rounded track teams that excel in the majority of events at their level of competition, which is an impossible question for most everybody on this board.
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yay marxism wrote:
Kickers usually win wrote:
How does that work? I assume Anderson was on a scholarship. Could he find other hobbies and not make college about running and still retain his scholarship?
He was good enough academically I assume. I think he also got an award or acknowledgment by Stanford for helping with search and rescue at some point which definitely helps.
Really? There are many other students that are strong academically and are involved in some type of good cause, that aren’t going to be put on a scholarship.
Can’t a scholarship be taken away from an athlete for poor performance and be given to someone else?
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Albertus Magnus is mentioned as beating St. Joes at Eastern States in 1974. Here is the story behind another famed coach, Bob Ivory. St. Joes is a Catholic school in Buffalo that also had limited enrollment, but a great coach in alum Bob Ivory.
The '71 team won Eastern States with a total time team record that stood for years. Ivory's runners also won the Penn Relays DMR that spring.
A friend of mine had Ivory for 10th grade geometry at North Tonawanda High School back in the day. He said he never got above 60 on any one of Ivory's geometry exams, and then bot a 98 on his New York State Regents geometry exam at the end of the year.
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The "best" high school coach is just one that shows interest in you as a whole person, maintains a proper relationship boundary, and gets you to believe with a little hard work and "luck" you'll achieve more than you thought possible.
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horse manure...
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Asbel Kiprop wrote:
horse manure...
Who?
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Whodat wrote:
Asbel Kiprop wrote:
horse manure...
Who?
Not sure. My post(the one he was responding too) was about the Kranicks and how they can't be considered for the best coaches due to abusing their athletes.
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Jesuits up there wrote:
How about the Jesuits
Ruiz (Belen Jesuit FL)
Lange (Jesuit CA)
Rothenberger (Jesuit OR)
For now it’s hard to say about Jesuit LA but they have a really good underclassman group coming. We’ll have to see if they make NXN at some point (something they’ve never done), and how they end up doing there
The issues with Jesuit LA were:
1) they choked badly at RunningLane 2022
2) they have had so many of their top guys end up getting injured
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