Katelyn Touhy 15:04

For reference, women like Schweizer, Monson, and ESP were dropping minutes from age 16 to 23 while Tuohy dropped 30 seconds. They were on steep improvement curves. Tuohy is not.

Ugghh. The kiss of death “talent doesn’t go away” is always said about someone whose talent goes away.

Again, very nice, but you don't make teams and win races based on your improvement curve, rather how fast you run.

If Andrews actually runs well at USATF, then all the theories of her choking go out the window.

If Tuohy runs 14:45 this year, then she has 18 seconds of new improvement.

KT only 23, still has 6 years of her Prime left. If she is healthy, she can keep improving.

How steep was cranny’s curve when she tan 4:11 in 2014 and then 4:09:59 in 2018? Right in line to drop like a dozen seconds over the next 5 years right? how about huddle running 15:32 in 2004 and then 15:25 in 2009? Right on pace to drop 40 seconds next year?

Yes the people who didn’t train in HS drop more time later. But do you really think they had less training than a 15 year old when they were 22? And yet they still kept dropping time into their mid 20s.

Good result. Along with Valby being injured, I think the Tuohy vs. Valby wars aren't over, not by a long shot.

Track would be a lot more fun if they alternate between 5s faster than each other for the next 6 years…

I could say that about every event though.

14:30 would be a 33 second PR for Tuohy and 14:20 wouldn't be a PR at all for Monson. But sure, project all you want.

Can you give one example of a sub 14:30 woman that is that "muscular"?

But most of these girls dropped times after joining a pro program and really upping training levels. Touhy stated with her college coach and seems to be continuing down a happy path, but not making sacrifices to be great.

How much improvement did Cain make? How about Ping? Lane? Effraimson? You can play games all day with your crystal ball but Tuohy remains stuck at 15 minutes as a pro after running 15:30 in high school. She was once a generational talent who now is slower at 23 than an 18 year old. Pretty sure thst means she isn't the best in her generation.

I think KT has had a rough time post-college, but am losing hope too at this stage. Have watched her with interest for a number of years, and would love to see her be in with a chance to make the Olympic team. She needs to drop a 14.40 soon, or it’s not going to pan out for her. The standard has gone up, and she’s stagnated, post super shoes too (so she’s possibly quite a bit slower than she was in reality, as the super shoes should give her a reasonable boost in time…. Pretty sure her 15.03 was pre super shoes?).

Btw, why - as a pro distance runner - is she not living at altitude? Seems like a total no-brainer. Is she a non-responder?

If you insist there can only be one generational talent per generation (~15 years?) then I guess you need to be prepared to turn out to be wrong quite often as chances are sometime in the next 15 years someone will be faster. Sane people define the term other ways so as not to be singular, but rather a select group.

Hilarious how the Tuohy crazies woke up. Tuohy has no chance to make a team. Her fans claimed that she would kick with pros several years ago until she didn't. They said Valby woukd never be better than her until she was. They said she was faster than every other runner was at her age unti she wasn't. She now is slower than an 18 year old and a current NC State runner. Get a grip on reality. You all sound like the parent of the JV quarterback saying your kid is better than the varsity starter who is signed to go D1.

I would love to see you link to some definitions. This is what I found.

"someone who is so much better than their competition that their level of dominance is only seen once in a generation …"

Tuohy is slower than a dozen women from her generation. Decker was a generational talent. Webb was a generational Talent. Ryun was a generational talent. Mondo is a generational talent. Trying to claim that Tuohy is much better than Valby or Schweizer or Cranny or Hedengren makes you delusional.

Something about Tuohy really bothers you I can tell.

Please point out where I have done the following "Trying to claim that Tuohy is much better than Valby or Schweizer or Cranny or Hedengren"

There is a discussion on Reddit where among other things people claim there are 2-5 (current) generational talents in the NBA. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/raqmuf/what_is_a_generational_talent/

But, again, if you go with the one and only one generational talent in a generation you better have a good crystal ball. Because in 5-10 years you will likely turn out to be wrong.

I actually thought her arm mechanics were different especially early in the race before she took off.

I noticed very different arm mechanics (vs the past) in her indoor races this year. Looked anything but relaxed. And now maybe have changed as well?

Tuohy has been training in Raleigh.

I mentioned further up in the thread that Tuohy, Elly Henes, and Grace Hartman are training this summer in Park City.