If insurances change their payment strategy based on the changes in CDC recommendation then not everyone may be able to afford it.
now please answer mine
Are the pharmaceutical companies so ghoulish that they won’t provide this life saving vaccine for free or at greatly reduced cost to infants? Why do they want to see infants on ventilators?
Are the insurance companies so ghoulish that they won’t cover this life saving vaccine? Do they not care that infants will be on ventilators and die in massive numbers?
Do you have any precedents or is this just pearl clutching?
The vaccine isn’t for infants. As usual antivaxxers can’t read or don’t bother to. Sigh. I thought you maybe had an interest in the truth.
If you want a world where insurers are the final say in what treatments people can take and there’s a massive patchwork of coverages for various medicines depending on independent reviews by each company — well that sounds awful (although we are already getting there to some degree). It would be easier if we had a trusted authority like the CDC that set guidelines that insurers, patients, and doctors could work off of. Sadly that’s no longer the case as they are refusing to support a simple and cost effective treatment that keeps kids off ventilators.
Youre asking the insurers and vaccine companies to bail out incompetence from the CDC. I guess that’s a solution but the easier one is: the CDC shouldn’t give guidance that hurts infants.
The CDC should recommend interventions that are proven to protect infants, like the Covid vaccine for pregnant women. Do you agree?
And you still are dodging my question, I’ll note.
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Are the pharmaceutical companies so ghoulish that they won’t provide this life saving vaccine for free or at greatly reduced cost to infants? Why do they want to see infants on ventilators?
Are the insurance companies so ghoulish that they won’t cover this life saving vaccine? Do they not care that infants will be on ventilators and die in massive numbers?
Do you have any precedents or is this just pearl clutching?
The vaccine isn’t for infants. As usual antivaxxers can’t read or don’t bother to. Sigh. I thought you maybe had an interest in the truth.
If you want a world where insurers are the final say in what treatments people can take and there’s a massive patchwork of coverages for various medicines depending on independent reviews by each company — well that sounds awful (although we are already getting there to some degree). It would be easier if we had a trusted authority like the CDC that set guidelines that insurers, patients, and doctors could work off of. Sadly that’s no longer the case as they are refusing to support a simple and cost effective treatment that keeps kids off ventilators.
Youre asking the insurers and vaccine companies to bail out incompetence from the CDC. I guess that’s a solution but the easier one is: the CDC shouldn’t give guidance that hurts infants.
The CDC should recommend interventions that are proven to protect infants, like the Covid vaccine for pregnant women. Do you agree?
And you still are dodging my question, I’ll note.
That’s a lot of cop out.
While we’re playing your “if” game. What “if” insurers decide that despite CDC recommendations to receive vaccinations, they stop covering it. Let’s deal with reality.
“If”. All they have to is say they have asthma, yes?
Yes, that should work! As it stands access shouldn’t be limited, I hope not! But it’s easy to see how insurers could change their reimbursement rules.
You’re taking a pretty nihilistic viewpoint here. Should the government simply never take a stance on medical interventions? Isn’t the role of the CDC to set guidelines for the health of citizens?
Do you think the CDC should be recommending the vaccine for pregnant mothers considering it’s proven to keep infants off ventilators? ( you will dodge this again)
No one is being denied the vaccine who wants the vaccine.
Why are the insurers and pharmaceutical companies being so ghoulish as to not cover or provide at a reduced rate such a life saving vaccine? Do they not care about the children? Are profits more important than seeing infants on ventilators?
While we’re playing your “if” game. What “if” insurers decide that despite CDC recommendations to receive vaccinations, they stop covering it. Let’s deal with reality.
Insurers are required by law to cover vaccinations on the CDC recommended list.
While we’re playing your “if” game. What “if” insurers decide that despite CDC recommendations to receive vaccinations, they stop covering it. Let’s deal with reality.
Insurers are required by law to cover vaccinations on the CDC recommended list.
Can insurers cover vaccinations not on the CDC recommended list?
there anyone who wants the vaccine who is being denied the vaccine?
Yes, that should work! As it stands access shouldn’t be limited, I hope not! But it’s easy to see how insurers could change their reimbursement rules.
You’re taking a pretty nihilistic viewpoint here. Should the government simply never take a stance on medical interventions? Isn’t the role of the CDC to set guidelines for the health of citizens?
Do you think the CDC should be recommending the vaccine for pregnant mothers considering it’s proven to keep infants off ventilators? ( you will dodge this again)
No one is being denied the vaccine who wants the vaccine.
Why are the insurers and pharmaceutical companies being so ghoulish as to not cover or provide at a reduced rate such a life saving vaccine? Do they not care about the children? Are profits more important than seeing infants on ventilators?
Where would the money to develop these vaccines come from if we didn’t pay for them? The government? Not anymore lol.
Asking companies to develop and give away vaccines = no more new vaccines. Basic economics but you’re getting so mad you’re failing that.
You’ve yet to answer my question despite me happily engaging with all of yours. Should the CDC recommend a vaccine that keeps infants off ventilators? That would require insurers to pay for it and expand access. Why or why not?
Insurers are required by law to cover vaccinations on the CDC recommended list.
Can insurers cover vaccinations not on the CDC recommended list?
there anyone who wants the vaccine who is being denied the vaccine?
Lmao bro you got owned. I didn’t realize the CDC recommendations were that key for access. Looks like I win “if” game because your “if” isn’t possible. Good try!
So, should the CDC recommend the vaccine! Time to answer!
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Can insurers cover vaccinations not on the CDC recommended list?
there anyone who wants the vaccine who is being denied the vaccine?
Lmao bro you got owned. I didn’t realize the CDC recommendations were that key for access. Looks like I win “if” game because your “if” isn’t possible. Good try!
So, should the CDC recommend the vaccine! Time to answer!
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Lmao bro you got owned. I didn’t realize the CDC recommendations were that key for access. Looks like I win “if” game because your “if” isn’t possible. Good try!
So, should the CDC recommend the vaccine! Time to answer!
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Pearl clutching answers not allowed.
Lol bro you whiffed so bad on insurers needing to pay for CDC recommending vaccines already. You’re vastly out of your depth.
Answer my question. I’ve answered plenty of yours.
Should the CDC, as the government’s expert body on disease prevention, recommend a vaccine that is proven to keep infants off of ventilators?
Lol bro you whiffed so bad on insurers needing to pay for CDC recommending vaccines already. You’re vastly out of your depth.
Answer my question. I’ve answered plenty of yours.
Should the CDC, as the government’s expert body on disease prevention, recommend a vaccine that is proven to keep infants off of ventilators?
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Pearl clutching answers not allowed.
Insurers will generally not fully cover preventative vaccinations that is not recommended by the CDC and ACIP. It's a provision of the ACA that they had to in the first place. Before the ACA most vaccines were partially covered as standard preventative care. It's possible (likely?) some will partially cover it as general preventative care.
No one will be denied the vaccine, they will just have to pay for it. Generally I don't support making healthy life harder and more expensive for new mothers and infants.
The Trump administration’s “Make America Healthy Again” report misinterprets some studies and cites others that don’t exist, according to the listed authors.
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Pearl clutching answers not allowed.
Insurers will generally not fully cover preventative vaccinations that is not recommended by the CDC and ACIP. It's a provision of the ACA that they had to in the first place. Before the ACA most vaccines were partially covered as standard preventative care. It's possible (likely?) some will partially cover it as general preventative care.
No one will be denied the vaccine, they will just have to pay for it. Generally I don't support making healthy life harder and more expensive for new mothers and infants.
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Pearl clutching answers not allowed. Not sure why those questions are so difficult to answer for some. It’s a simple Yes or No.
Here’s another one for the pearl clutchers. If it costs a minimum of ~$3000 per day and up to $10,000/day for NICU (consumer cost). And, as Harambe said, these stays are completely preventable if a mother just receives the $200 (consumer cost) vaccine. Do you think if the cost/benefit analysis done by the insurers favors covering the $200 vaccine, they would cover it?
Insurers will generally not fully cover preventative vaccinations that is not recommended by the CDC and ACIP. It's a provision of the ACA that they had to in the first place. Before the ACA most vaccines were partially covered as standard preventative care. It's possible (likely?) some will partially cover it as general preventative care.
No one will be denied the vaccine, they will just have to pay for it. Generally I don't support making healthy life harder and more expensive for new mothers and infants.
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Pearl clutching answers not allowed. Not sure why those questions are so difficult to answer for some. It’s a simple Yes or No.
Here’s another one for the pearl clutchers. If it costs a minimum of ~$3000 per day and up to $10,000/day for NICU (consumer cost). And, as Harambe said, these stays are completely preventable if a mother just receives the $200 (consumer cost) vaccine. Do you think if the cost/benefit analysis done by the insurers favors covering the $200 vaccine, they would cover it?
This assigns zero value to the baby avoiding the NICU beyond reimbursements to medical providers.
Are you seriously trying to say the value of the vaccine is exclusively the medical costs savings from a single acute treatment period?
It appears you are at about ~1930 in terms of your first principles derivation of healthcare economics. Keep it up! I like where this going. Now, could you maybe try to assign a price to a healthy baby. Perhaps some sort of integration of long term risks of severe infant viral infection?
Next unit: we will derive a QALY and discuss its strengths and weaknesses.
Class dismissed!
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Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Pearl clutching answers not allowed. Not sure why those questions are so difficult to answer for some. It’s a simple Yes or No.
Here’s another one for the pearl clutchers. If it costs a minimum of ~$3000 per day and up to $10,000/day for NICU (consumer cost). And, as Harambe said, these stays are completely preventable if a mother just receives the $200 (consumer cost) vaccine. Do you think if the cost/benefit analysis done by the insurers favors covering the $200 vaccine, they would cover it?
This assigns zero value to the baby avoiding the NICU beyond reimbursements to medical providers.
Are you seriously trying to say the value of the vaccine is exclusively the medical costs savings from a single acute treatment period?
It appears you are at about ~1930 in terms of your first principles derivation of healthcare economics. Keep it up! I like where this going. Now, could you maybe try to assign a price to a healthy baby. Perhaps some sort of integration of long term risks of severe infant viral infection?
Next unit: we will derive a QALY and discuss its strengths and weaknesses.
Class dismissed!
A simple yes or no to the questions I posed will suffice.
You are getting upset because you know the answers to the questions, but answering them truthfully will spoil your weak argument. Pearl clutching be damned.
I look forward to your next avoidance of my simple questions and you continuing to chase your tail.
This assigns zero value to the baby avoiding the NICU beyond reimbursements to medical providers.
Are you seriously trying to say the value of the vaccine is exclusively the medical costs savings from a single acute treatment period?
It appears you are at about ~1930 in terms of your first principles derivation of healthcare economics. Keep it up! I like where this going. Now, could you maybe try to assign a price to a healthy baby. Perhaps some sort of integration of long term risks of severe infant viral infection?
Next unit: we will derive a QALY and discuss its strengths and weaknesses.
Class dismissed!
A simple yes or no to the questions I posed will suffice.
You are getting upset because you know the answers to the questions, but answering them truthfully will spoil your weak argument. Pearl clutching be damned.
I look forward to your next avoidance of my simple questions and you continuing to chase your tail.
Rage on, brother.
Hmm you appear to have shown up to the next class without having done the reading! You get one drop on your participation grade so this won’t affect your final letter grade, but it can’t happen again!
I’ve answered your questions multiple times. You refuse to answer my singular request.
Im happy to continue to tutor you but we’re going to need to see some effort! Don’t want me to phone home, do you?
Now, please give your opinion on the CDC’s recommendation of the Covid vaccine for pregnant women. Should they be taking a stance? Why or why not? Support your argument with 3-5 well reasoned sentences (at least).
Find me at office hours if you want some additional guidance.
Requests for extra time MUST be routed through the disability/accommodations office!
A simple yes or no to the questions I posed will suffice.
You are getting upset because you know the answers to the questions, but answering them truthfully will spoil your weak argument. Pearl clutching be damned.
I look forward to your next avoidance of my simple questions and you continuing to chase your tail.
Rage on, brother.
Hmm you appear to have shown up to the next class without having done the reading! You get one drop on your participation grade so this won’t affect your final letter grade, but it can’t happen again!
I’ve answered your questions multiple times. You refuse to answer my singular request.
Im happy to continue to tutor you but we’re going to need to see some effort! Don’t want me to phone home, do you?
Now, please give your opinion on the CDC’s recommendation of the Covid vaccine for pregnant women. Should they be taking a stance? Why or why not? Support your argument with 3-5 well reasoned sentences (at least).
Find me at office hours if you want some additional guidance.
Requests for extra time MUST be routed through the disability/accommodations office!
You are avoiding these very simple questions like, ummmm, Covid. “Yes,” “No” and “Don’t Know” will suffice.
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Can anyone who wants the vaccine get the vaccine without insurance paying for it?
Can insurers cover the vaccine if the CDC does not recommend it?
Are pregnant women being denied the vaccine if they want the vaccine?
Medicaid currently covers nearly HALF of the pregnancies and childbirths in this country. Take away the CDC recommendation, and Medicaid will not cover Covid vaccination for half the mothers in the U.S. For some of these mothers, the additional cost of the vaccine will be financially out of reach. Even if they had the money, it's bureaucratically and legally dicey for a Medicaid recipient to try to pay out of pocket for non-covered services. Some pregnant women will want the vaccine and be denied.
Congratulations! Come on down to your local maternity hospital, where you can ask if there's a place you can view a newborn gasping for breath so you can point and say, "I did that!" Or you could, I don't know, try not to be such an absolute ghoul about vaccines proven to save babies' lives.
