Even if he transitions full time to the 5000, he hasn't shown anything that would show he can be uniquely competitive compared to the rest of the field. His PB was an all out effort 13:23, when guys like Jakob runs 12:48, which wasn't an all out effort, at age 20 and still being probably a decade away from peak long distance performance age.
When Kerr actually starts transitioning to the 5000 full time he's going to have most likely started slowing down due to age while Jakob hasn't entered his peak yet.
Jakob has peaked. The chances of him running faster than 7:17 are very slim.
Depends extremely if (and when) someone else betters 7:17.55.
If the record stands for some years, it's extremely unlikely he will run nearly as fast again.
Too lazy to check exactly how many races in a row he has won in these two events but the win streak must be pretty big now.
He seems to be levels above the east africans - so much so that he made the 5000m WR holder in Cheptegei flee for the 10000m in the olympics. Aregawi gave him a scare but as good as he is he is inferior in all aspects to Jakob.
As for other westerners, there's always Nuguse, Hocker, Fisher, Kerr et al. but they always seem to duck him when the championship races come around. Fisher is quality and has certainly improved, but one can't forget that the last time he raced Jakob in the 3000 the latter broke the WR and the former finished DFL.
So what about the up and comers? Could Laros be the one? He's claimed a couple of Jakob's age records and recently ran 7:29, indicating sub-13 shape for the 5k (Jakob ran 13:02 at his fastest before turning 20).
I dont know who will beat him,but there are always new kenyans and ethiopians being churned out,ugandans as well. Maybe no one will beat him this year,but in years to come there will be.
Kerr is modest; Jakob isn't - and obviously neither are his fans.
Again, why do you do this? Why do you make up lies based on absolutely nothing when the people themselves you're making up lies about says the complete opposite of what you're saying?
These threads are full of lies. That's what Ingebrigtsen fans do - constantly misrepresent the facts and make claims about what he will do when has never achieved these things.
3:27/8:00 shows enough potential to be extremely competitive in a championship 5k. Again, I'm not saying he can do it NOW. He does need tons of specific training. Jakob is an outlier because of his threshold approach.
Anyway, in response to OP's question, I think the most likely candidate to beat Jakob would be, as I mentioned, a strength-based 1500m just like Jakob. Aside from that, the closest I can think of is Fisher, who is on quite an upward trajectory and apparently has great speed for a 5k/10k guy despite what his coach said, so I wouldn't rule him out.
Still, a 12:30-35 guy with 3:26/7:17 PBs to his name is just so OP(overpowering) it would require everything to fall into place to see him beaten, like he gets sick, or/and boxed in or tripped comes the bell lap. And that's why , 2023 World was still the closest race he got beaten where he got sick and there's actually another strength-based 1500m guy, who got smoked at the DL but really dangerous in a championship, doped or not.
You can't just keep extrapolating information upwards based on times they've run in the shorter distances. 2 mile is the top end of Kerrs range, the 1500 is the lowest end of Jakobs range. Kerr gets worse the longer the distance gets, Jakob gets better.
A runner who can't crack the top 1000 when running an all out effort is extremely unlikely to become competitive in the fastest field the event has seen.
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
You are embarrassing yourself a bit too much here.
I can only hope that I have the ability to troll the sh!t out of 100s of posters when I'm a 70 year old man like Army. hahaha...can't believe the number of responses you guys give him.
the guy probably doubles as Rich in CA. Brilliant.
They make it too easy. They can't cope with anything that doesn't conform to their adulation for the Norwegian windbag.
I can only hope that I have the ability to troll the sh!t out of 100s of posters when I'm a 70 year old man like Army. hahaha...can't believe the number of responses you guys give him.
the guy probably doubles as Rich in CA. Brilliant.
They make it too easy. They can't cope with anything that doesn't conform to their adulation for the Norwegian windbag.
You can't just keep extrapolating information upwards based on times they've run in the shorter distances. 2 mile is the top end of Kerrs range, the 1500 is the lowest end of Jakobs range. Kerr gets worse the longer the distance gets, Jakob gets better.
A runner who can't crack the top 1000 when running an all out effort is extremely unlikely to become competitive in the fastest field the event has seen.
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
So you agree that Jakob is the best currently active runner in the 1500, since how fast you've run is the only metric that determines how good you are.
To those who laughed at Armstrong's comment on "Kerr being modest", he's right. Kerr is modest. When Kerr said he's the best championship runner, he's just being confident. But confidence doesn't mean arrogance. To stay st the top of the top, you gotta believe you're the best. More importantly, he's indeed the best 1500m championship runner alongside Hocker and has spanked Jakob two championships in a row already.
Jakob stated he's gonna be the greatest distance runner of all time, now that's truly arrogance, and showed a complete lack of self-awareness. He couldn't even break 60 mins in the half marathon, in fact it's slower than Kerr's pb by almost two minutes, meaning he would've got lapped, had the HM been run on the track. On the other hand, he also failed to even medal in his favourite event. He may one day break the 1500m WR, but that would only be because he's got the new shoes and silly light doing the pacing for him, and comes championship, he will always get destroyed by the like of Hocker and Kerr, and perhaps Myer and Ruthe in 2028. (they may get the WR as well, especially Hocker) He would also never be as dominant as Mo farah in the 5k/10k, whose double-double will be far beyond his grasp, never mind the marathon. Yet he still laughably claimed he would be without question the best distance runner in the world. That's arrogant, and downright insulting to the greats who have the achievements to back it up.
You can't just keep extrapolating information upwards based on times they've run in the shorter distances. 2 mile is the top end of Kerrs range, the 1500 is the lowest end of Jakobs range. Kerr gets worse the longer the distance gets, Jakob gets better.
A runner who can't crack the top 1000 when running an all out effort is extremely unlikely to become competitive in the fastest field the event has seen.
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
Thats probably true,although he has won olympic and world 5000 meter titles,so he doesnt need to run fast 5000's.
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
So you agree that Jakob is the best currently active runner in the 1500, since how fast you've run is the only metric that determines how good you are.
It isn't the only metric - I didn't say that. But the fact - shown by his times - that he gets slower the longer the distance disproves your claim that he gets better. That is quite apart from the fact that he has a significantly flawed competitive record over his main distance, the 1500.
To those who laughed at Armstrong's comment on "Kerr being modest", he's right. Kerr is modest. When Kerr said he's the best championship runner, he's just being confident. But confidence doesn't mean arrogance. To stay st the top of the top, you gotta believe you're the best. More importantly, he's indeed the best 1500m championship runner alongside Hocker and has spanked Jakob two championships in a row already.
Jakob stated he's gonna be the greatest distance runner of all time, now that's truly arrogance, and showed a complete lack of self-awareness. He couldn't even break 60 mins in the half marathon, in fact it's slower than Kerr's pb by almost two minutes, meaning he would've got lapped, had the HM been run on the track. On the other hand, he also failed to even medal in his favourite event. He may one day break the 1500m WR, but that would only be because he's got the new shoes and silly light doing the pacing for him, and comes championship, he will always get destroyed by the like of Hocker and Kerr, and perhaps Myer and Ruthe in 2028. (they may get the WR as well, especially Hocker) He would also never be as dominant as Mo farah in the 5k/10k, whose double-double will be far beyond his grasp, never mind the marathon. Yet he still laughably claimed he would be without question the best distance runner in the world. That's arrogant, and downright insulting to the greats who have the achievements to back it up.
You will be reported here to the secret police, who will pick you up and whisk you away to an undisclosed destination.
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
Thats probably true,although he has won olympic and world 5000 meter titles,so he doesnt need to run fast 5000's.
He does if he is to prove the claim that he is one of the greats if not the all time greatest runner over that distance - which is one of his stated ambitions. He says he wants all the wrs up to the marathon.
El G is the better 5k runner than Ingebrigtsen because after only just turning to the 5k late in his career he defeated the greatest in history, Bekele, in an Olympic final after winning the 1500. Ingebrigtsen will never match that. Bekele was of course far better than Ingebrigtsen over the distance and Cheptegei remains much faster.
So you agree that Jakob is the best currently active runner in the 1500, since how fast you've run is the only metric that determines how good you are.
It isn't the only metric - I didn't say that. But the fact - shown by his times - that he gets slower the longer the distance disproves your claim that he gets better. That is quite apart from the fact that he has a significantly flawed competitive record over his main distance, the 1500.
Being able to win the worlds and Olympics finals without having to put in all out efforts compared to the 1500, where he loses despite putting in all out efforts, because his tactics in the 5000 are better than in the 1500 sure sounds to me that he's better in the 5000. The word you're looking for is faster, not better.
Thats probably true,although he has won olympic and world 5000 meter titles,so he doesnt need to run fast 5000's.
He does if he is to prove the claim that he is one of the greats if not the all time greatest runner over that distance - which is one of his stated ambitions. He says he wants all the wrs up to the marathon.
El G is the better 5k runner than Ingebrigtsen because after only just turning to the 5k late in his career he defeated the greatest in history, Bekele, in an Olympic final after winning the 1500. Ingebrigtsen will never match that. Bekele was of course far better than Ingebrigtsen over the distance and Cheptegei remains much faster.
Sounds more like it reflects badly on Bekele if a slower 5000 runner than Jakob could beat him in a final.
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