How on Earth did Peter Snell run 1:44.3 on grass running 100 miles per week??

Was Jin Grelle related to Jim Grelle?

Rumour has it they are one and the same.

Hi did race the 1500m outside Tokyo. He lost over 10 1500m/Mile races during 1960-1965.

You are wrong - again. You don't know any of this. He didn't race the 1500 outside Tokyo. Between 1960-64 he only lost a mile race at a local level, to his rival John Davies, when he was inadequately trained. In his last tour in '65, when he lost form, he lost a succession of races. You don't know enough about these things to make these claims.

He lost over 10 1500m/Mile races during 1960-1965. At least 1 in any year apart 1962. And he raced the 1500m outside Tokyo. These are facts.

You are either no older than 20 or you haven't read "No Bugles, No Drums". You simply keep making stupid false assertions. Go to a thread where you know something. This isn't it.

Which impact do you think my age has to the answer of the question if Peter Snell has lost several 1500m/Mile races during 1960-1964 (and 1965) (the answer: yes)?

Besides some losses to 2nd tier New Zealanders, he has lost to Elliott, Sullivan, Pirie, Tabori, Burleson, Wiggs, Shillington, (Jin) Grelle, Davies, Weisiger, (Jin?) Ryun, Odlozil, Whetton, Baran, Simpson, Tümmler, May and some more.

Some info: your next step, insults, will also not change this fact.

I understand that it must be hard for you to realize that one of your gods in fact was human. But unfortunately - we can't change this. So sad.

I have always enjoyed the interview with John Davies where he talks about the Tokyo 1500m final. He said that when Snell took off on the backstretch, chunks of cinders were hitting Davies from the power Snell was generating.

Probably not, but I know almost nothing about Tual.

for the record, I think Snell was working too hard for an 800m runner back in the day. No elite 800m runner trains that way now.

He told me he "counted every step." Arthur said his guys ran 100 miles in their main sessions but also did "supplementary easy runs." e.g., the five mile morning jog but if Peter was doing 70-80 miles most weeks he's have counted that as part of his total mileage.

On a prominent shelf in my office is a pristine first edition, first printing copy of No Bugles No Drums. Signed on the title page by Peter Snell, Garth Gilmour, and Authur Lydiard, it is one of the foundations of my extensive collection books regarding the world of athletics. It has been a few years since I read that memoir but this morning, I thumbed through its pages.

Whilst I do not wish to engage in the debate between Armstronglivs and uviichy, I will share this quote a from that tome. “In the 1500, I finished fifth, hit now by the effects on my legs of the hard San Diego track.” (Snell and Gilmour, 219). These few words were written about the June 1965 race in Helsinki during his final tour and competitive season. In the paragraph he also described the fatiguing effects of travel and being a “heavily muscled athlete” and his desire to scratch the next race in Dublin. A few pages over he described having no kick or enthusiasm with a time of about 3:44 in finishing third behind Jim Grelle in a 1500m race in Berlin which occurred later that month.

The last chapter of No Bugles No Drums is a reflection on the extent that athletics influenced Snell’s life. He states, “For seven years, nothing was attempted before its possible effects on my athletic training had been considered. Generally, it would be right to say that if it did threaten to interfere with training, it probably wasn’t done.” (Snell and Gilmour, 231).

Snell, Peter, and Garth Gilmour. No Bugles No Drums. Minerva, 1965.

Genetic freak + GOAT coach in Arthur Lydiard. So many letsrunners are eager to jump on the latest training fad, but it is all just modified Lydiard.

Definitely the greatest middle distance runner of all time if we only talk about 800-Mile. Not a debate. Coe wasn’t as good as him.

There is no reason to believe Snell doped but amphetamines and even testosterone were used in sport since the 50’s. They also weren’t banned for almost twenty years and there was no test for it.

Coe is clearly the greatest middle distance runner of all time for me. His record at the big championships is relatively weak (despite two Olympic golds), but the level of fitness which he has had in 1981 (and also in 1979/80) is still unique.

Still number 8 well over 4 decades after his prime in the 800m (and number 2 in the 1000m) as well as his unique finishing capabilities makes it a clear choice for me.

And he was much longer at or near the top than Snell.

There are a number of contemporary champion athletes who stated SNELL was the best athlete they ever raced; Moens, Kerr, Davies, Odlozil, Grelle, and more. There were subsequent champions who stated SNELL was New Zealand's best ever; Walker, Dixon, Tayler, and more.

The debate is fun, whether we go NURMI or GEB or ELG..... but few people can deny that SNELL has a real case as the greatest runner ever.

For once, the text of a National Olympic Committee is accurate.

"Peter Snell stands at the top of New Zealand sport. In 2000 he was voted New Zealand Athlete of the Century. In 1990, at the inaugural New Zealand Sports Hall of Fame induction, he was given the privilege of being the first person honoured."

https://olympic.org.nz/athletes/peter-snell

SI from 1962... "world's best runner..."

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MEET THE WORLD'S BEST RUNNER

Leslie Hobbs

In the stretch of the Olympic 800-meter finals in Rome last year the highly favored Belgian, Roger Moens, looked quickly to his right to see if there was any

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I tend to agree.
3 Olympic gold medals, 5 individual world records, and the 4 x mile WR - He is certainly worthy of being considered as best mid-distance runner ever.

There was another guy in the Lydiard group, Michael Mackey, who Lydiard said had better speed and endurance than Snell. Mackey had other interests and left the sport. Lydiard said, over and over, that there were potential champions in every neighborhood.

Peter Snell had never raced over 1500 meters before the 1964 Olympics.

He did race over 1500 meters in 1965 three times, as part of his farewell tour.

See http://www.thegreatdistancerunners.de/PeterSnell.html