I don't buy that. If you suppose the average very high level girl starts to seriously train between their junior year of HS and freshman year of college, that would call for a peak between 23 and 25 for women. There are A LOT of women who peak later than that.
Though maybe you need to go to drugs for that to happen.
Hiltz, Houlihan, ESP; all running their best times ever between late 20s and 30.
So where is Claudia Lane, Mary Cain, Baxter, Cook, etc., etc., if some peak later than early 20’s (and/or seven years after serious training development) is an absolute?? Obviously, it is not, and such unrealistic expectations may not be healthy.
It's not an absolute, just like the 7 year thing isn't close to being an absolute. Everybody takes their own trip.
So where is Claudia Lane, Mary Cain, Baxter, Cook, etc., etc., if some peak later than early 20’s (and/or seven years after serious training development) is an absolute?? Obviously, it is not, and such unrealistic expectations may not be healthy.
It's not an absolute, just like the 7 year thing isn't close to being an absolute. Everybody takes their own trip.
fwiw, the most common adage Ive heard that is similar to what you're saying is that no matter what age you start run training, you have 10 years of improvements coming your way.
I don't think you can compare we hobby joggers to professionals though. And i think it can be highly variable depending on how quickly you are able to rampant up your training when you begin running.
I hope Rylee continues improving at a steady rate – she has mentioned doing lower mileage in the past, so I am curious if that is just her coach's developmental approach or if it is a precautionary measure for an injury-prone athlete. Looks like an athlete who has done a lot of strength training in lieu of more miles (there was a thread on her sit-up count), but I could be wrong. Either way, she and Jane are rising stars that will hopefully make a lasting splash throughout their NCAA careers.
I don't know how anyone could possibly have predicted the 15:16 for Rylee Blade, besting both her mile and 3k pr's enroute.
Not hard to predict. Blade actually defeated Hedengren in cross country at the Woodbridge Invite just this past fall.
Hedengren was dealing with a serious health issue when she ran Woodbridge. That's why she lost that race. Even her teammate Lily Alder beat Hedengren at Woodbridge and Alder is not even close to being as good as Hedengren.
So yes, the poster you responded to was correct. It would have been very difficult for anyone to predict that Blade would run 15:16. In fact, while many people here predicted Hedengren would break the 5k record, not even one person predicted that Blade would. During the 5k Blade broke her 3200 PR by 12 seconds and then picked up the pace. That's unprecedented!
Not hard to predict. Blade actually defeated Hedengren in cross country at the Woodbridge Invite just this past fall.
Hedengren was dealing with a serious health issue when she ran Woodbridge. That's why she lost that race. Even her teammate Lily Alder beat Hedengren at Woodbridge and Alder is not even close to being as good as Hedengren.
So yes, the poster you responded to was correct. It would have been very difficult for anyone to predict that Blade would run 15:16. In fact, while many people here predicted Hedengren would break the 5k record, not even one person predicted that Blade would. During the 5k Blade broke her 3200 PR by 12 seconds and then picked up the pace. That's unprecedented!
No, I’m sure a lot of people thought Blade could run faster than what Leachman ran, after Blade’s incredible fall campaign.
Not hard to predict. Blade actually defeated Hedengren in cross country at the Woodbridge Invite just this past fall.
Hedengren was dealing with a serious health issue when she ran Woodbridge. That's why she lost that race. Even her teammate Lily Alder beat Hedengren at Woodbridge and Alder is not even close to being as good as Hedengren.
So yes, the poster you responded to was correct. It would have been very difficult for anyone to predict that Blade would run 15:16. In fact, while many people here predicted Hedengren would break the 5k record, not even one person predicted that Blade would. During the 5k Blade broke her 3200 PR by 12 seconds and then picked up the pace. That's unprecedented!
The YouTube of the race was great. The announcer on the track mic did a really good job of calling out what was going down, and when he reminded them, with about 800m to go, that “they have done these intervals before” (not verbatim), Rylee may have gotten a bit excited smelling the finish line and boldly went out ahead, albeit briefly, of Jane. It was a great race and a great call.
This all validates the Woodbridge Truth- your time at Woodbridge 3M XC is what you can race for 5000m during the track season (or obviously faster in the case of the last dozen kids).
Not hard to predict. Blade actually defeated Hedengren in cross country at the Woodbridge Invite just this past fall.
Hedengren was dealing with a serious health issue when she ran Woodbridge. That's why she lost that race. Even her teammate Lily Alder beat Hedengren at Woodbridge and Alder is not even close to being as good as Hedengren.
So yes, the poster you responded to was correct. It would have been very difficult for anyone to predict that Blade would run 15:16. In fact, while many people here predicted Hedengren would break the 5k record, not even one person predicted that Blade would. During the 5k Blade broke her 3200 PR by 12 seconds and then picked up the pace. That's unprecedented!
Just saw this… not difficult to predict. Blade ran a high school record 15:20 at Woodbridge, so at minimum we knew she could run 15:20 last night.
I am not an Olympian - not even close - but I am a woman. My name is Jaimie Ribera and I was a bench warmer on the BYU women’s basketball team- about 20 years ago under Jeff Judkins - I am old now. Janeth Alder is my assistant and absolutely fantastic and came in last year when the alders moved to Provo ( she was an Olympian for Ecuador) Jane’s dad John is an amazing guy who is still an incredible athlete and does the most amazing things you have ever seen with a young club team- they LOVE him and love that program, Jane’s mom is incredibly supportive and kind human being always willing to help with our team, Mcgyver Clark who was my sprints coach last year and is running alphapeak now works with her on form/ mechanics and has for the last several years. We have a few other assistants as well - Nelson Davis and Lizzy Wilcox . 175 kids on the track team - big program lots of good people.
Jane is an amazing athlete with an amazing team behind her ( in every sense of the word ) my family was always big into track and I loved it in high school and was extremely mediocre ( if that ) I loved the sport and love coaching and have been absolutely honored to work with all those listed above and it’s been an honor to work with Jane and will continue to be a huge Jane fan when she runs for Coach Taylor next year and BYU.
it made me register to post that one sorry not sure why but I had to change the username
Nelson Davis -- the same Nelson Davis that is from Knoxville TN and ran for Farragut HS?
Hedengren was dealing with a serious health issue when she ran Woodbridge. That's why she lost that race. Even her teammate Lily Alder beat Hedengren at Woodbridge and Alder is not even close to being as good as Hedengren.
So yes, the poster you responded to was correct. It would have been very difficult for anyone to predict that Blade would run 15:16. In fact, while many people here predicted Hedengren would break the 5k record, not even one person predicted that Blade would. During the 5k Blade broke her 3200 PR by 12 seconds and then picked up the pace. That's unprecedented!
No, I’m sure a lot of people thought Blade could run faster than what Leachman ran, after Blade’s incredible fall campaign.
Clearly your post is incorrect. Blade ran the same 16:31 that Claudia Lane ran at Woodward Park, and Claudia Lane never ran faster than 9:57 in the 3200, while Blade's 3200 split yesterday was 9:50.
To put it another way, Blade's best speed rating this fall was only 159 while Hedengren's best speed rating was 172. That's a massive difference. No one expected them to be neck and neck in yesterday's 5k.
This all validates the Woodbridge Truth- your time at Woodbridge 3M XC is what you can race for 5000m during the track season (or obviously faster in the case of the last dozen kids).
How many kids do a 5000 on the track during their HS season?
This all validates the Woodbridge Truth- your time at Woodbridge 3M XC is what you can race for 5000m during the track season (or obviously faster in the case of the last dozen kids).
How many kids do a 5000 on the track during their HS season?
The best ones do, it's a new generation of runners.
Rylee Blade, 15:20 at Woodbridge, 15:16 indoors
Jane Hedengren, 15:32 at Woodbridge, 15:13 indoors
Elizabeth Leachman, 15:32 at Woodbridge, 15:25 outdoors