Nice kindergarten tactics. Keep in mind that you didn't understand what I wrote, not the other way around.
At least you stopped pretending that you are a doping denier. That's progress!
Without context, it's really your word against mine, isn't it.
I understand what you wrote mischaracterizes what it is that I deny. Apparently you haven't understood that, or you don't dispute it. This mischaracterization can be due to a lack of comprehension, but I don't rule out other factors.
Nice kindergarten tactics. Keep in mind that you didn't understand what I wrote, not the other way around.
At least you stopped pretending that you are a doping denier. That's progress!
Without context, it's really your word against mine, isn't it.
I understand what you wrote mischaracterizes what it is that I deny. Apparently you haven't understood that, or you don't dispute it. This mischaracterization can be due to a lack of comprehension, but I don't rule out other factors.
You were saying, about sticking to the thread topic? Is it the "mischaracterisation" of a doping troll?
As pointed out by Surprise, you deny doping. After first arguing against it, you have then agreed to it. I also agree that you are a doping denier.
Neither Surprise nor I have claimed that you always deny all doping - that is your mischaracterization / straw man.
It's not your word against just mine. It's your word against Surprise's word and Armstronglivs' word and my word and your own word to boot. And of course your history here speaks for itself. We all know that you have routinely denied doping; in Houlihan's case, quite excessively so.
Without context, it's really your word against mine, isn't it.
I understand what you wrote mischaracterizes what it is that I deny. Apparently you haven't understood that, or you don't dispute it. This mischaracterization can be due to a lack of comprehension, but I don't rule out other factors.
You were saying, about sticking to the thread topic? Is it the "mischaracterisation" of a doping troll?
I got tricked into playing "no way no how"'s word game. There must be a psychological reason for resorting to these personal attacks and childish name-calling rather than discussing the evidence, or the existence of evidence, for many of the common myths surrounding doping.
As pointed out by Surprise, you deny doping. After first arguing against it, you have then agreed to it. I also agree that you are a doping denier.
Neither Surprise nor I have claimed that you always deny all doping - that is your mischaracterization / straw man.
It's not your word against just mine. It's your word against Surprise's word and Armstronglivs' word and my word and your own word to boot. And of course your history here speaks for itself. We all know that you have routinely denied doping; in Houlihan's case, quite excessively so.
In this trivial sense, many posters deny doping, and I am not some rare exception. Every poster who thinks some athlete somewhere is clean denies doping. Coevett says the current Brit milers are clean. Armstronglivs recently denied doping "was around" in Snell's and Zatopek's eras, yet doping for athletes has existed since the ancient Greeks. Khamis and Physics King swear El G is clean.
But thanks to the team here, I have now seen the error in my ways, and wish to no longer deny doping.
In the cases I mentioned, where "there is no evidentiary basis for" doping, I should have conceded (and have done so in the past) that there is always a chance that any athlete can be doping, without public knowledge, and in some cases, without the athlete's knowledge.
I cannot deny doping, but I can only deny the existence of specific tangible evidence that would permit a conclusion of doping on a case-by-case basis. I have no doubts that doping is popular among many athletes, and that the belief in the power of doping to provide super-natrual is popular among athletes, coaches, agents, and fans.
It still baffles me that Cheptegei—the 5K/10K world record holder and defending Olympic 5K Gold Medalist—would duck Ingebrigtsen in the Paris 5K.
His performance in Tokyo certainly doesn’t validate that decision.
It is one thing to run a HM as a fun challenge (a mere 36 hours after defeating Hocker and Nuguse in the DL 1500 final). But moving to the roads full time and finishing off the podium is big disappointment for an athlete of Cheptegei’s caliber.
It still baffles me that Cheptegei—the 5K/10K world record holder and defending Olympic 5K Gold Medalist—would duck Ingebrigtsen in the Paris 5K.
His performance in Tokyo certainly doesn’t validate that decision.
It is one thing to run a HM as a fun challenge (a mere 36 hours after defeating Hocker and Nuguse in the DL 1500 final). But moving to the roads full time and finishing off the podium is big disappointment for an athlete of Cheptegei’s caliber.
It makes perfect sense when you remember that the last time Cheptegei bothered to show up for a global 5k final, in 2022, he finished 9th (ninth).
You were saying, about sticking to the thread topic? Is it the "mischaracterisation" of a doping troll?
I got tricked into playing "no way no how"'s word game. There must be a psychological reason for resorting to these personal attacks and childish name-calling rather than discussing the evidence, or the existence of evidence, for many of the common myths surrounding doping.
Still haven't found the thread subject. Still about you?
As pointed out by Surprise, you deny doping. After first arguing against it, you have then agreed to it. I also agree that you are a doping denier.
Neither Surprise nor I have claimed that you always deny all doping - that is your mischaracterization / straw man.
It's not your word against just mine. It's your word against Surprise's word and Armstronglivs' word and my word and your own word to boot. And of course your history here speaks for itself. We all know that you have routinely denied doping; in Houlihan's case, quite excessively so.
In this trivial sense, many posters deny doping, and I am not some rare exception. Every poster who thinks some athlete somewhere is clean denies doping. Coevett says the current Brit milers are clean. Armstronglivs recently denied doping "was around" in Snell's and Zatopek's eras, yet doping for athletes has existed since the ancient Greeks. Khamis and Physics King swear El G is clean.
But thanks to the team here, I have now seen the error in my ways, and wish to no longer deny doping.
In the cases I mentioned, where "there is no evidentiary basis for" doping, I should have conceded (and have done so in the past) that there is always a chance that any athlete can be doping, without public knowledge, and in some cases, without the athlete's knowledge.
I cannot deny doping, but I can only deny the existence of specific tangible evidence that would permit a conclusion of doping on a case-by-case basis. I have no doubts that doping is popular among many athletes, and that the belief in the power of doping to provide super-natrual is popular among athletes, coaches, agents, and fans.
I was looking for mention of Cheptegei in there. But - nope. Still about you.
It still baffles me that Cheptegei—the 5K/10K world record holder and defending Olympic 5K Gold Medalist—would duck Ingebrigtsen in the Paris 5K.
His performance in Tokyo certainly doesn’t validate that decision.
It is one thing to run a HM as a fun challenge (a mere 36 hours after defeating Hocker and Nuguse in the DL 1500 final). But moving to the roads full time and finishing off the podium is big disappointment for an athlete of Cheptegei’s caliber.
You're assuming he ducked Ingebrigtsen. He wasn't obligated to double. His performance in the Paris 10k was also superior to Ingebrigtsen's in the 5k.
Running the HM for Ingebrigtsen wasn't a "fun challenge"; it was an embarrassment for someone who had claimed it was his "best distance". 39th and gassed after 10k.
There is a very big jump from the 10k to the marathon; it can't be assumed success in the former will translate to success in the latter. It's early days. 2:06 is unlikely to remain Cheptegei's best performance.
It still baffles me that Cheptegei—the 5K/10K world record holder and defending Olympic 5K Gold Medalist—would duck Ingebrigtsen in the Paris 5K.
His performance in Tokyo certainly doesn’t validate that decision.
It is one thing to run a HM as a fun challenge (a mere 36 hours after defeating Hocker and Nuguse in the DL 1500 final). But moving to the roads full time and finishing off the podium is big disappointment for an athlete of Cheptegei’s caliber.
It makes perfect sense when you remember that the last time Cheptegei bothered to show up for a global 5k final, in 2022, he finished 9th (ninth).
So one race 3 years ago defines Cheptegei's level? Taking such a limited example we could say the same about the 1500 in Paris for Ingebrigtsen. What a loser.
It makes perfect sense when you remember that the last time Cheptegei bothered to show up for a global 5k final, in 2022, he finished 9th (ninth).
So one race 3 years ago defines Cheptegei's level? Taking such a limited example we could say the same about the 1500 in Paris for Ingebrigtsen. What a loser.
Tell us again that Jakob ran 63 minutes for the half. Did you just copy/paste this from someone who responded to you?