3200 or 3000? If it's 3200 that's insane. It wasn't rare but it wasn't common to have more than 1 guy on my team run sub 9:30 and that was at no elevation. Surely she's in 9:27 or better shape
The headline of this thread clearly states that she ran a 3200.
Hedengren is a cut above every other American female hs long distance runner. 9:37 on that track at 4600 ft is worth 9:25 and she soloed it. Give her a pro field and you would be shocked. However, it's getting ahead of ourselves to say that she's faster than Tuohy right now. That would put her in the low 8:40s, low 15 range. I think she'll crush the high school record in the 5000m by ten seconds or more, though.
She ran 16:32 to win NXN. In the boys race CERVI-SKINNER, Zack ran an identical time. His best two mile last year was 9:12. And she wasn't pressed at the end, she could have probably run 4 - 5 seconds faster. She will break 9:20 outdoors this year!
But you laid it out. She clearly woukd run at least 8:45 and likely sub 8:40. Tuohy is in 8:47 shape. Tuohy is a pro.she is a high schooler. This is insane.
I used to think you were just biased. It has become clear how dumb you are. She isn't college age. And she would beat Tuohy straight up right now. You really need to stop with these attacks on every woman who is better than Tuohy.
Why did you post a bunch of garbage about her age then? Go to a thread about the runner you are referring to. There are site rules about posting off topic things.
Because this topic always comes up with Hedengren and Englehardt, and keeps getting repeated on this board, which is one of the reasons why I clearly laid out the typical ages one enters grades in the US school system.
There are age records and there are Highschool records. Please know the difference between the two.
But you laid it out. She clearly woukd run at least 8:45 and likely sub 8:40. Tuohy is in 8:47 shape. Tuohy is a pro.she is a high schooler. This is insane.
9:37 for 3200m is 9:40 for 2M, which converts by dividing by 1.08 to 8:57 3k. Now, if we subtract 11 seconds, we get 8:46. But you're right, Tuohy ran 8:47 earlier this month, so Hedengren would be right in the mix with her. However, Tuohy may be in better shape right now, and she's run 8:35 before.
The NCAA conversion from 2009 is 11.6 seconds for a 9:20s 3k steeple and that's not accounting for the nature of the turns on that track. We might just see the first 9:20 two mile from a high school girl this year outdoors even without a pacer.
9:37.50 @ 4,539' (Pocatello, ID - the closest I can find to 4,400') converts to 9:25.17 indoor 3000m @ sea level according to the NCAA converter. 9:25.17 is 1043 WA points for indoors; for outdoors, 1043 points = 9:19.06.
Where did she run this race?
NCAA altitude converters are absolute rubbish. You're not getting 12 seconds by dropping 4500' in a race this short. Shorter races are less affected by altitude. Bottom line. Runworks gives her 5.4 seconds faster at sea level and that seems borderline generous. She's good, but she's not 13 seconds better than peak hs Mary Cain good.
I guess we’ll see. Some altitude converters are not great, I’ll give you that. But 10-12 seconds to sea level from 4600’ is about right. It’s more like 15-18 coming down from 5,500’. If you either ran or coached kids in a city above 5000’, you would know that the conversions are legit. I always say two seconds per lap, but it’s more like 6 seconds for the 1600 and 16 seconds for the 3200. Countless runners have borne this out, including one of my kids. There are quite a few guys who never broke 9:00 at elevation but did so easily at sea level.
But, whatever the case, she can break 9:30 at sea level outdoors right now, which is pretty amazing. Remember, this girl smoked Addi Ritzenhein in cross country. Smoked her.
NCAA altitude converters are absolute rubbish. You're not getting 12 seconds by dropping 4500' in a race this short. Shorter races are less affected by altitude. Bottom line. Runworks gives her 5.4 seconds faster at sea level and that seems borderline generous. She's good, but she's not 13 seconds better than peak hs Mary Cain good.
I guess we’ll see. Some altitude converters are not great, I’ll give you that. But 10-12 seconds to sea level from 4600’ is about right. It’s more like 15-18 coming down from 5,500’. If you either ran or coached kids in a city above 5000’, you would know that the conversions are legit. I always say two seconds per lap, but it’s more like 6 seconds for the 1600 and 16 seconds for the 3200. Countless runners have borne this out, including one of my kids. There are quite a few guys who never broke 9:00 at elevation but did so easily at sea level.
But, whatever the case, she can break 9:30 at sea level outdoors right now, which is pretty amazing. Remember, this girl smoked Addi Ritzenhein in cross country. Smoked her.
So, last year, Jane ran 10:02 at Simplot and then a 9:49+ two mile at NIN, so a 9:46 for 3200? But then she only improved one second in outdoors. But, this should give you some idea. Basically 10:02 to 9:45. Of course, she likely had more competition at NIN and outdoors, I’m not sure.