1) Why are they making this open source? I know the CEO says that helps him attract the best talent but i'm not necessarily buying that and even if that's true, couldn't he still find enough employees to design this if it wasn't open source?
2) Why does Meta want AIi also to be open source?
3) Why do the others not want it to be open source?
Open source releases also drives interest of talented developers who want to have a larger impact (who doesn't want to be the Linux Torvalds or Dennis Ritchie of their era?) and create tooling for the developer environment like PyTorch from time to time. Thus Llama 1, 2, and 3 are dropped. OpenAI, Microsoft and Oracle need it to be propietary so that they can add you to their subscription pool. Meta and Deepseek don't care and can supply the compute.
Remember in the 80s when Microsoft tried to steal Java by changing a few things and calling it its own? The courts made a monumental decision for those times by haltimg that. Deep Seek could spark the Linux-ization of AI which would greatly dissolve the money grubbing AI companies. Linux is free and it "IS" the Internet that we do know for sure.
Bad take bro. AI makes mistakes. So do humans. Both are useful.
You know nothing. You are among the few posters here more useless than an AI.
Noone wants you around, and you're still too dumb to realize it. Been around long enough that you must be at least near 30, so no real excuse there. Shoulda grown up by now.
I've been programming since probably before you were born. AI is nothing, just a fad, a marketing gimmick. It's been around for decades, and all honest programmers know what it can't do.
[Leaning forward, speaking with controlled intensity] You wanna talk about AI being a fad? Okay, let's talk about it. You're probably sitting there with your copy of "Clean Code" from 2008, thinking you've got it all figured out. But I've got news for you - while you're manually documenting every function like it's 1999, AlphaGo's over here solving problems we thought were decades away. You heard of MuZero? No? Of course not. You're too busy writing PHP spaghetti code to notice it's beating human champions at games it wasn't even trained on. [Cuts off any response] "But AI makes mistakes..." Yeah, you got that talking point from some conference keynote, probably right after they showed a ChatGPT error screenshot, right? Let me ask you something - how many mistakes did you make debugging that monolith last week? How many hours did your team waste reinventing wheels that Copilot could've generated in seconds? You're sitting here acting like numpy's just a fancy calculator, like PyTorch is some kid's science project. You know what's really happening? That new grad you just hired? The one you think doesn't know "real programming"? She just used CUDA-accelerated frameworks to solve in three days what would've taken your "pure" code three months. [Leans back slightly, with a knowing look] See, here's the thing about guys like you - DeepBlue beat Kasparov in '97, and you're still acting like it was a fluke. The models writing code today are doing stuff you'd need a PhD to understand, but you're too busy defending your outdated workflows to even look up. The real tragedy here? In about five years, you're gonna realize you wasted half a decade fighting the future instead of using it. But hey - at least your documentation is manually crafted, right?
4) China just gave the entire world free and complete access to a technology that the U.S. and U.S. companies have been trying to control and monetize. Makes the U.S. look greedy, silly, and backwards.
Lastly, a word on censorship. The default DeepSeek model is censored to filter out criticisms of the Chinese government. But that's the beauty of open source - with some very minor fine tuning, you can easily bypass these filters.
In short, China just dunked on the U.S. economically, politically, and psychologoically. Not a standard in-game dunk. Michael Jordan 1993 NBA Jam jumping 50 feet in the air while doing a 360 dunk.
Why would they do #4? They have shown that they generally don't act with altruism in mind.
Open source releases also drives interest of talented developers who want to have a larger impact (who doesn't want to be the Linux Torvalds or Dennis Ritchie of their era?) and create tooling for the developer environment like PyTorch from time to time. Thus Llama 1, 2, and 3 are dropped. OpenAI, Microsoft, Website and Oracle need it to be propietary so that they can add you to their subscription pool. Meta and Deepseek don't care and can supply the compute.
Remember in the 80s when Microsoft tried to steal Java by changing a few things and calling it its own? The courts made a monumental decision for those times by haltimg that. Deep Seek could spark the Linux-ization of AI which would greatly dissolve the money grubbing AI companies. Linux is free and it "IS" the Internet that we do know for sure.
4) China just gave the entire world free and complete access to a technology that the U.S. and U.S. companies have been trying to control and monetize. Makes the U.S. look greedy, silly, and backwards.
Lastly, a word on censorship. The default DeepSeek model is censored to filter out criticisms of the Chinese government. But that's the beauty of open source - with some very minor fine tuning, you can easily bypass these filters.
In short, China just dunked on the U.S. economically, politically, and psychologoically. Not a standard in-game dunk. Michael Jordan 1993 NBA Jam jumping 50 feet in the air while doing a 360 dunk.
Why would they do #4? They have shown that they generally don't act with altruism in mind.
Who is “they” wejo? DeepSeek? Their parent company High Flyer? The CCP? DeepSeek seem pretty set on altruistic dispersal of AI tech, while likely making money off of market responses with their vantage point of existing HFT software and knowledge about how their research releases will reveal American technology insecurities.
Open Source is why we have UNIX, Linux, Java, Php, Apache, Internet from UCLA/Rand Corp, Ethernet, USB, JPEG, MPEG, etc. and so many technologies. I remember in my younger days arguing at IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Meetings, IEEE 802.11 Wi Fi Meetings, IETF Meetings, ISO/OSI Meetings, etc. Now Im on Social Security and work on Ethe]reum/Solidity.
GPUs are a big deal now but Wafer Scale (12 inch diameter Silicon, LP sized) chips is here, working, and shipping from Cerebras, Santa Clara, and Tokyo Electron, Japan. It has 192 chips on a one side of a single 300mm platter. That means you can have a Cerebras 19" Rack replace an entire floor of GPUs saving Electricity and Real Estate.
A least AI R&D world wide is mostly standardized on the same stack: Ubuntu Linux, Python3, Anaconda3, Numpy, PyTorch, CUDA, OpenCL, Tensorflow, SciKit-Learn, OpenCV, Google LLM. Did it miss anything?
Open source releases also drives interest of talented developers who want to have a larger impact (who doesn't want to be the Linux Torvalds or Dennis Ritchie of their era?) and create tooling for the developer environment like PyTorch from time to time. Thus Llama 1, 2, and 3 are dropped. OpenAI, Microsoft and Oracle need it to be propietary so that they can add you to their subscription pool. Meta and Deepseek don't care and can supply the compute.
Remember in the 80s when Microsoft tried to steal Java by changing a few things and calling it its own? The courts made a monumental decision for those times by haltimg that. Deep Seek could spark the Linux-ization of AI which would greatly dissolve the money grubbing AI companies. Linux is free and it "IS" the Internet that we do know for sure.
Java was released in 1995. The project began in 1991. Had Microsoft already invented time travel in the 1980s in order to steal Java from the 1990s?
You know nothing. You are among the few posters here more useless than an AI.
Noone wants you around, and you're still too dumb to realize it. Been around long enough that you must be at least near 30, so no real excuse there. Shoulda grown up by now.
I've been programming since probably before you were born. AI is nothing, just a fad, a marketing gimmick. It's been around for decades, and all honest programmers know what it can't do.
[Leaning forward, speaking with controlled intensity] You wanna talk about AI being a fad? Okay, let's talk about it. You're probably sitting there with your copy of "Clean Code" from 2008, thinking you've got it all figured out. But I've got news for you - while you're manually documenting every function like it's 1999, AlphaGo's over here solving problems we thought were decades away. You heard of MuZero? No? Of course not. You're too busy writing PHP spaghetti code to notice it's beating human champions at games it wasn't even trained on. [Cuts off any response] "But AI makes mistakes..." Yeah, you got that talking point from some conference keynote, probably right after they showed a ChatGPT error screenshot, right? Let me ask you something - how many mistakes did you make debugging that monolith last week? How many hours did your team waste reinventing wheels that Copilot could've generated in seconds? You're sitting here acting like numpy's just a fancy calculator, like PyTorch is some kid's science project. You know what's really happening? That new grad you just hired? The one you think doesn't know "real programming"? She just used CUDA-accelerated frameworks to solve in three days what would've taken your "pure" code three months. [Leans back slightly, with a knowing look] See, here's the thing about guys like you - DeepBlue beat Kasparov in '97, and you're still acting like it was a fluke. The models writing code today are doing stuff you'd need a PhD to understand, but you're too busy defending your outdated workflows to even look up. The real tragedy here? In about five years, you're gonna realize you wasted half a decade fighting the future instead of using it. But hey - at least your documentation is manually crafted, right?
4) China just gave the entire world free and complete access to a technology that the U.S. and U.S. companies have been trying to control and monetize. Makes the U.S. look greedy, silly, and backwards.
Lastly, a word on censorship. The default DeepSeek model is censored to filter out criticisms of the Chinese government. But that's the beauty of open source - with some very minor fine tuning, you can easily bypass these filters.
In short, China just dunked on the U.S. economically, politically, and psychologoically. Not a standard in-game dunk. Michael Jordan 1993 NBA Jam jumping 50 feet in the air while doing a 360 dunk.
Why would they do #4? They have shown that they generally don't act with altruism in mind.
Other posters have already given you several reasons for why open source does not mean altruism.
At the rate the tech is evolving, this tech will get outdated in months, so they are not giving away anything for posterity. In any case, it’s quite likely that in the long term, core frontier models everyone uses will be open source in the interest of AI fairness and transparency and security.
"4) China just gave the entire world free and complete access to a technology that the U.S. and U.S. companies have been trying to control and monetize. Makes the U.S. look greedy, silly, and backwards."
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