Good to see Johnny getting some love in this thread! I was always impressed by his consistency, especially being one helluva supinator who was constantly battling nagging injuries. But I never had a training partner who was better at doing the little things.
And while the 3:49 deserves the attention - let's not overlook a 10th place finish in a Worlds final with a few athletes competing that would eventually serve a suspension.
Johnny didn’t die. We should be permitted to speak the truth. The 3:49.98 was done on a track which is faster than any track out there. So why couldn’t he run faster than 3:34.35? Can ANYONE explain this?
Yes, almost anyone can explain this and prior to reading this thread I thought anyone could grasp the explanation. All of us have one race that's our fastest at a given distance and then we never run that fast again. No one is arguing that the BU track is not fast. If you're looking to get a really good time why would you not try to do it in the best possible conditions? Eamon Coughlin was the first person to run an indoor mile in under 3:50. He never got under 3:51 outdoors and his best outdoor 1500 was 3:35.6. It happens.
Good to see Johnny getting some love in this thread! I was always impressed by his consistency, especially being one helluva supinator who was constantly battling nagging injuries. But I never had a training partner who was better at doing the little things.
And while the 3:49 deserves the attention - let's not overlook a 10th place finish in a Worlds final with a few athletes competing that would eventually serve a suspension.
Johnny didn’t die. We should be permitted to speak the truth. The 3:49.98 was done on a track which is faster than any track out there. So why couldn’t he run faster than 3:34.35? Can ANYONE explain this?
Please see the top 100 miles times on world athletics. Outdoor tracks account for 93/100 of the fastest mile times, including the top 11. The outdoor Olympic stadiums in Rome, Berlin, London, Paris, etc., are vastly superior to BU; same goes for Hayward Field (which I think has the most top 100 times) and Bislett Stadium. The Armory also has a case — in the top 10 indoor times, the Armory beats BU, 5 to 3. BU is a great indoor track, sure, but it has only 1 place in the top 50 miles in history (a legal track that is hardly the cheat code you imply). Only 7 indoor runners cracked the top 100 and Gregorek was one of those 7!! When looking for reasons — how about he was healthy, in his prime (27), on a fast track (one of many in the world), he had the greatest pacer ever (Sowinski), and was in the fastest indoor mile ever. And of course you’re wildly incorrect when you continue to repeat that Kejelcha never came close to that time — he had just missed the world record with a 3:48 ONE WEEK BEFORE the BU race. And in the BU race they had a rabbit there just to run on Keljelcha’s outside to keep him from drifting. I’d argue that should be illegal. But Johnny Gregorek — he just ran the race of his life.
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Johnny didn’t die. We should be permitted to speak the truth. The 3:49.98 was done on a track which is faster than any track out there. So why couldn’t he run faster than 3:34.35? Can ANYONE explain this?
Please see the top 100 miles times on world athletics. Outdoor tracks account for 93/100 of the fastest mile times, including the top 11. The outdoor Olympic stadiums in Rome, Berlin, London, Paris, etc., are vastly superior to BU; same goes for Hayward Field (which I think has the most top 100 times) and Bislett Stadium. The Armory also has a case — in the top 10 indoor times, the Armory beats BU, 5 to 3. BU is a great indoor track, sure, but it has only 1 place in the top 50 miles in history (a legal track that is hardly the cheat code you imply). Only 7 indoor runners cracked the top 100 and Gregorek was one of those 7!! When looking for reasons — how about he was healthy, in his prime (27), on a fast track (one of many in the world), he had the greatest pacer ever (Sowinski), and was in the fastest indoor mile ever. And of course you’re wildly incorrect when you continue to repeat that Kejelcha never came close to that time — he had just missed the world record with a 3:48 ONE WEEK BEFORE the BU race. And in the BU race they had a rabbit there just to run on Keljelcha’s outside to keep him from drifting. I’d argue that should be illegal. But Johnny Gregorek — he just ran the race of his life.
I am getting bored with this subject but you decided to go ALL CAPS telling us that Kejelcha ran 3:48 ONE WEEK before his 3:47.01, which is incorrect, as it was close to 2 weeks before, and it was a 3:48.46, so 1.45 seconds slower, which makes sense as that BU track is probably about 1.45 seconds faster than normal, giving Johnny a 3:51.43, which seems about right. Also elite runners rarely peak for indoors, so of course most of the fastest performances are outdoors, and the outdoor season tends to be longer also.
Please see the top 100 miles times on world athletics. Outdoor tracks account for 93/100 of the fastest mile times, including the top 11. The outdoor Olympic stadiums in Rome, Berlin, London, Paris, etc., are vastly superior to BU; same goes for Hayward Field (which I think has the most top 100 times) and Bislett Stadium. The Armory also has a case — in the top 10 indoor times, the Armory beats BU, 5 to 3. BU is a great indoor track, sure, but it has only 1 place in the top 50 miles in history (a legal track that is hardly the cheat code you imply). Only 7 indoor runners cracked the top 100 and Gregorek was one of those 7!! When looking for reasons — how about he was healthy, in his prime (27), on a fast track (one of many in the world), he had the greatest pacer ever (Sowinski), and was in the fastest indoor mile ever. And of course you’re wildly incorrect when you continue to repeat that Kejelcha never came close to that time — he had just missed the world record with a 3:48 ONE WEEK BEFORE the BU race. And in the BU race they had a rabbit there just to run on Keljelcha’s outside to keep him from drifting. I’d argue that should be illegal. But Johnny Gregorek — he just ran the race of his life.
I am getting bored with this subject but you decided to go ALL CAPS telling us that Kejelcha ran 3:48 ONE WEEK before his 3:47.01, which is incorrect, as it was close to 2 weeks before, and it was a 3:48.46, so 1.45 seconds slower, which makes sense as that BU track is probably about 1.45 seconds faster than normal, giving Johnny a 3:51.43, which seems about right. Also elite runners rarely peak for indoors, so of course most of the fastest performances are outdoors, and the outdoor season tends to be longer also.
Two weeks — ha, you’re right!! that’s completely different!!! Well done!
When indoor tracks are deemed illegal, you can come back to this thread and gloat. Until then, Gregorek is a 3:49 miler.
There is no asterisk next to "indoor times" the way there would be in a downhill mile, for example.
It doesn’t matter. Anyone with an IQ above 120 can see the truth. Look at Kejelcha. He was NEVER a 3:47 miler except in some fantasy world. Just as Gregorek was never a 3:49 miler. It doesn’t matter what you think, or the other jokers.
I do not expect an apology from you folks, as you do not even ostensibly have the intelligence to understand why one should be forthcoming, but Ethan Strand has now run 3:48.32 and he is no more a 3:48.32 miler YET than Gregorek was ever a 3:49 miler.
It doesn’t matter. Anyone with an IQ above 120 can see the truth. Look at Kejelcha. He was NEVER a 3:47 miler except in some fantasy world. Just as Gregorek was never a 3:49 miler. It doesn’t matter what you think, or the other jokers.
I do not expect an apology from you folks, as you do not even ostensibly have the intelligence to understand why one should be forthcoming, but Ethan Strand has now run 3:48.32 and he is no more a 3:48.32 miler YET than Gregorek was ever a 3:49 miler.
At least you're perceptive enough to not expect apologies. It seems as though you think you should have gotten some so you need a little work there.
I do not expect an apology from you folks, as you do not even ostensibly have the intelligence to understand why one should be forthcoming, but Ethan Strand has now run 3:48.32 and he is no more a 3:48.32 miler YET than Gregorek was ever a 3:49 miler.
At least you're perceptive enough to not expect apologies. It seems as though you think you should have gotten some so you need a little work there.
Well of course there will be no apologies. However the BU track is faster than almost any outdoor venue. So Strand likely will never run a 3:48.32 equivalent outdoors UNLESS his fitness improves which is possible as he is only 22, whereas when Gregorek ran 3:49.98 he was already 27 and he was NEVER going to match that equivalent outdoors as it is a “fake” time, not real because of its artificially enhanced nature.