Is the 800M a sprint?

What a dumb argument! Just because they can run fast in the 400m doesn't mean they would be considered 400/800 runners. All of these guys would be more competitive globally if they focused on the 1500m rather than if they focused on the 400m and you are being intellectually dishonest if you disagree with that.

All of these guys train more like milers than they do 400m runners. there might be a short phase at the end of competition season where they train like 400m runners but for the majority of the year it is middle distance training that is better suited for the mile at an elite level than the 400m at an elite level.

Elliot Giles is a perfect example of my argument. The guy has 46 second 400m speed but look where he ended up! He is now a world class 1500m guy who just took down the road mile WR beating Yared Nuguse.

You are just wrong here!

I also want to point out that are are acting like 46 low is extremely fast here. for these type of elite athletes, its not....

im also not saying their aren't true elite 400/800 athletes out there. but for the most part, the top is Currently dominated by 800/1500 runners.

I don't know what makes you think they could be as globally competitive in 1500 as they are 800. Their 1500 times are likely just as good as their 400 times. The point I'm trying to make is that speed is slightly more important than endurance.

I maybe should've stated that historically, most world-class competitive 800M runners have been the speed-based type (throughout the history of the sport, not just the ones today like Arop, Sedjati, etc).

Yes, they all have equally impressive 1500m times, but also sub 47-speed is practically a requirement

"46 low isn't extremely fast" well, neither are their 1500M times

Regardless, just because they run one good 1500m doesn't mean they can't likely run as good of a 400M if not better. 1:41 requires undisputable speed.

That is, if none of them aren't doping, perchance

Does your brain not comprehend the concept of “middle distance?”

If the average 100m split of the entire race doesnt clock under 12 seconds for a male, it is not a sprint.

Bryce Hoppel has run 1:41 and has never broken 4 or 3:43

Brandon Miller???? @bmillertrackstar????What are YOU talking about????? He has split 44 in the 400 several times, he's a 4x400 national champion and multiple time all american. HS 1500 champ/record holder is again misleading because that was AAU, regular HS boys compete in 1600 and Mile. Gary Martin's HS mile was faster than Brandon's HS 1500.

Is this a miler?!?!?!?

Sedjati doesn't even seem to have a recorded 1500?

You are either misinformed or aware of these things and lying through your keyboard keys brother.

Brandon Millers official 400m PB is 46.3 which is worth 1091 IAAF points. His official 1500m PB is 3:40.11 which is worth 1105. Out of all the people I mentioned he is the MOST like a 400/800 athlete and his 1500m PB is STILL better then his 400m PB.

You are still yet to disprove what I said: The majority of world class 800m athletes RIGHT NOW lean more towards 800/1500 than the 400/800. This is a factually true statement.

So instead of getting mad at my claims, you should think about why you believe what you believe.

bro everything you have said is wrong or misleading

Calling Brandon Miller 800/1500 is just outright dumb. In no way is he an endurance-based athlete.

And just face it. Neither their 400 or 1500 times matter because they likely only run those events for practice. What Miller splits in a competitive 4x400 is what matters. Same applies to all other athletes

Even Seb Coe split 45 in the relay

Speed is vital.

edit: letsrun is bugged and overwriting the video im posting

Leg 3 of this is Brandon Miller vs Jonathan Jones (44.4/1:45)
43.4 split for Jones, 44.9 split for Miller

Whatever happened to Jones? Did he just move on from running?

Looked like he was jogging until Jones came up on him too. Likely could've ran way faster

No one said speed is not vital in the 800m, nor did anyone say 800m runners cannot run great sprint times.

We said the 800m is not a sprint.

These are separate statements.

12.5 per 100m is 1:40 800m pace. NOT ONE PERSON can run the 800m at 12.5 per 100m pace. No one! Ever!

However, the 11-12 age GIRLS 100m USATF kids nationals was won in 11.94.

Little girls can sprint significantly faster than the men’s world record pace for 800m.

Why on earth do you think grown men running 800m significantly slower than little girls can run is sprinting?

Mark Wetmore has observed that the number of athletes who can hold a world-class 800 meter pace for one lap numbers in the thousands, while those who can sustain it for the full two laps is only a handful. What most athletes lack is not the speed but the strength to sustain world class 800 meter speed.

And the number of athletes who can hold a world class 400m pace for half a lap numbers in the thousands, while those who can sustain it for the full lap is only a handful. What most athletes lack is the strength I guess because by this logic the 400 is a distance event too. Or maybe your argument is retarded

/eot

So anything slower than 9.58 100m is not a sprint. Because 11.0 is jogging for some sprinters. Got it. Just want to clarify we're all on the same page because it seems like half this thread is full of idiots

I'm not proving your point. You are confused. You are no more likely to turn a schoolboy sprinter into an 800 runner than to try to do the same with a distance runner. A sprinter is not an md athlete - which as has been said repeatedly here is an athlete combining speed and endurance. The price of being the fastest over a short distance - as a sprinter is - is to lack endurance. Top 800m runners are not sprinters even though they can sprint as fast as schoolboy sprinters. They are fast endurance athletes. And a schoolboy sprinter is not a md athlete at school level either. The sprints and md - which the 800 is - are different events.