Your take would define the 400m as not a sprint. It is "sub maximum" running. Yet clearly it is dominated by sprinters. It's a sprint.
As I said before, anyone who ran indoor track back in the day knows that the 440 yd guys dominated the 600 yd race, not the 1/2 milers or milers.
Hope they race. Kerley for the win
Correct.
The idea that anything but utter maximal effort isn't sprinting is just WRONG.
The 400, 200m and even the 100m aren't run like that at the elite level. And they are all sprints.
Every race, including the marathon, requires maximal effort. A 400m athlete that sprints sub-20 for the first 200m, will not be sprinting the last 200m. Sprinting is maximum top-end speed and is impossible to maintain past 200m. 440 yards used to be called a “dash” and not a “sprint”.
I also suspected that no man weighing over 200 pounds has posted a world class time for an event 600m or longer, and since no one has posted an example, I appear to be correct.
And Kickers win is correct. The definition of sprinting includes aspects of O2/ATP usage, limb angles, force production, etc. Sprint coaches and exercise physiologists can explain what sprinting is and isn’t in great detail.
The 600m is not a sprint. Therefore, the event favors a middle distance runner, like Gray.
Now, the Kerly that ran 43.6 for 400m could no doubt run a great 600m, but he ain’t that guy no more. Now, he’s a 206 pound 100m guy. His physiology is different. Different in way that will prevent him from running a great 600m.
I said the 600m is a middle distance race, and the world record is held by a middle distance runner.
Also, I said whether or not the 400m is a sprint is a topic that could be debated.
The rest of your wild leaps about what I said are due to your poor reading comprehension skills.
1. You argued up and down that Johnny Gray's 600m success has any bearing whatsoever to this discussion. Your 'argument' has come down to 'but but but Gray was a mid-d runner, and Hocker is a mid-d runner, therefore Hocker good 600.'
2. I had perfect SAT scores in reading and writing. You?
I also suspected that no man weighing over 200 pounds has posted a world class time for an event 600m or longer, and since no one has posted an example, I appear to be correct.
Which man under 130 pounds has posted a world-class time in the 600?
Now, the Kerly that ran 43.6 for 400m could no doubt run a great 600m, but he ain’t that guy no more. Now, he’s a 206 pound 100m guy. His physiology is different. Different in way that will prevent him from running a great 600m.
Let's do actual facts.
You act like Kerley will now drop like a stone at 101m, as if he suddenly turned to Omanyala or Fahnbulleh when he started racing the 100m seriously.
The idea that anything but utter maximal effort isn't sprinting is just WRONG.
The 400, 200m and even the 100m aren't run like that at the elite level. And they are all sprints.
Every race, including the marathon, requires maximal effort. A 400m athlete that sprints sub-20 for the first 200m, will not be sprinting the last 200m. Sprinting is maximum top-end speed and is impossible to maintain past 200m. 440 yards used to be called a “dash” and not a “sprint”.
Pretty sure the 100 yd and 220 yd races were also referred to as dashes.
Start by finding me even ONE MORE PERFORMANCE by Gray in the 1500/mile. ONE MORE.
He doesn't even have a mark listed at World Athletics, ffs.
Still waiting.
YOU said that Gray's success was auspicious for Hocker's chances, even though Gray barely raced the mile (and Hocker is only useful at the world stage in the mile and longer).
Every race, including the marathon, requires maximal effort. A 400m athlete that sprints sub-20 for the first 200m, will not be sprinting the last 200m. Sprinting is maximum top-end speed and is impossible to maintain past 200m. 440 yards used to be called a “dash” and not a “sprint”.
Pretty sure the 100 yd and 220 yd races were also referred to as dashes.
You act like Kerley will now drop like a stone at 101m, as if he suddenly turned to Omanyala or Fahnbulleh when he started racing the 100m seriously.
He didn't.
2021: 9.8, 19.7, 44.6
2022: 9.7, 19.8, 44.4
2023: 9.8, 19.8, 44.6
2024: 9.8, 19.8 (injury)
His profile has barely changed.
In the 600m, I like this guy⬆ over a distance runner who has barely gone sub-1:46 in the 800. Even if the distance runner is a 3:27 guy, and ESPECIALLY because he is also a 12:58 guy.
It seems like Kerley and Hocker agree with me, since the sprinter who never, ever runs off the track has challenged the distance runner to a road race. And the distance runner has nothing to say about it.
Trying to use Seb Coe to make the point of feather-weight middle distance runners not being about to run a world class 600m is about as smart as farting in a cup and making a toast to your intelligence.
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