You can’t be asking me that out of genuine curiosity, but the answer is easy: anyone who consistently identifies as such.
The “as such” technically makes it a recursive definition, but it’s still simple enough for Everyman to understand its spirit. The qualifier “consistently” does not mean cis but exists to distinguish them from nonbinaries.
what sporting categories would you have?
That question is substantively unrelated to your previous question.
Answer is two categories with the female category constrained by physiological eligibility requirements that ensure that the fraction of cis women winning medals is comparable to the corresponding fraction for trans/DSD women. WA arguably has been hunting for such physiological requirements in its going back and forth on its eligibility policy strictness over the last few decades.
Its current (2023) policy is almost certainly unfair to non-cis women because they have literally zero chance of being competitive at the elite level. It is also unhealthy and dangerous to pressure kids under 12 to make a permanent life-altering choice.
[...] there are some physiological attributes on the basis of which we filter and others on which we don’t in sport. Long feet and torso offer a much more direct advantage compared to karyotype, your favorite filtering attribute, that correlate with a population-level statistical advantage.
Great post.
All of these twits saying 'but but but XY! testicles! XY!' seem to have no idea that a person can have an XY karyotype, and testicles, and complete feminization (possible due to a number of causes).
This includes but is not limited to 5-alpha reductase deficiency, which essentially prevents the 'male' effects of testosterone, with many patients being 'female' by any rational assessment, including that of their parents, doctors, and eventually their male sexual partners.
Actually 5-ARD doesn't prevent the "'male' effects of testosterone". In fact males with 5-ARD are fully sensitive to testosterone but have reduced levels of DHT.
It's this - they don't. And it's a frustrating education gap/void.
My wife and her friends don't get it and why/how would they? Even when I explain to them that the fastest woman on the planet wouldn't get out of the first round in the 100m at the Texas state HS boys meet they don't, nor even want to attempt to, understand the gravity of this. I tell them that by the age of 14 I was good enough to win the Olympic womens 800m title and by 15 was a second inside the womens WR - again it's still meaningless to them.
Even when you explain that this is about women's rights and female equality they don't get that either - it's just lost in sea of emotional ideology that has nothing to do with facts or reality. But end of the day this isn't really about that is it? It's really about soundingbeing compassionate, empathetic and reasonable.
Also one thing I might add to this - the person at the center of this issue isn't transgender right? (I'm responding here to other comments about transgender people in competitive sport) If we want to be bastions of facts and science we need to be consistent. This is a biologically intersex athlete that hasn't unethically been identifying as a female their entire life. This is very different to a Lia Thomas situation even if the physiological scenario is the same and the danger to the health and safety of this athletes competitors very really real and present due to the nature of the sport. This is also doesn't mean I believe they should be allowed to compete against XX chromosome athletes, because I don't.
I sympathize if you feel your wife and friends are that dumb that they can’t understand how amazing a runner you used to be, bravo!
I suspect she isn’t dumb and understands the core of the issue better than you do. It’s a good tell when the group you are trying to save doesn’t understand why you are outraged on their behalf.
PS: edited your post slightly so you can better understand your spouse.
This is basically the gender version of the racist “one-drop” rule in America. She doesn’t fit the reactionary fantasy of what a woman is supposed to be, and nuance is out of the question, so therefore they must be a dude.
You mean the racist rule that makes Elizabeth Warren a Cherokee?
I did and do feel bad for Caster Semenya. But this pyscho punches women in the face for a living. It's insane that this was allowed to happen. They clearly need to test "women" for XY chromosomes.
The Algerian is DSD-male, as Semenya is. That is someone who identifies as female but is biologically male, subject to differences in how features of that maleness are manifested. That isn't "female" by any biological criterion. The response of sporting bodies needs to recognise this in respect of this boxer, as they were compelled to do with Semenya.
I did and do feel bad for Caster Semenya. But this pyscho punches women in the face for a living. It's insane that this was allowed to happen. They clearly need to test "women" for XY chromosomes.
News flash: ALL FEMALE BOXERS PUNCH WOMEN IN THE FACE FOR A LIVING!!! So unless you think all boxers are psychos there is another reason you think she is a psycho. And the only reason I can think of is because she does not conform to your idea of a woman. So maybe you should stop discriminating against a legally protected minority.
I did and do feel bad for Caster Semenya. But this pyscho punches women in the face for a living. It's insane that this was allowed to happen. They clearly need to test "women" for XY chromosomes.
News flash: ALL FEMALE BOXERS PUNCH WOMEN IN THE FACE FOR A LIVING!!! So unless you think all boxers are psychos there is another reason you think she is a psycho. And the only reason I can think of is because she does not conform to your idea of a woman. So maybe you should stop discriminating against a legally protected minority.
Men don't punch women in the face for a living. The boxer is male.
News flash: ALL FEMALE BOXERS PUNCH WOMEN IN THE FACE FOR A LIVING!!! So unless you think all boxers are psychos there is another reason you think she is a psycho. And the only reason I can think of is because she does not conform to your idea of a woman. So maybe you should stop discriminating against a legally protected minority.
Men don't punch women in the face for a living. The boxer is male.
We all know that's bs. She is female. Why? Because she says so. Why are you whatever gender you are? Because you say so. End of story.
Answer is two categories with the female category constrained by physiological eligibility requirements that ensure that the fraction of cis women winning medals is comparable to the corresponding fraction for trans/DSD women. WA arguably has been hunting for such physiological requirements in its going back and forth on its eligibility policy strictness over the last few decades.
Its current (2023) policy is almost certainly unfair to non-cis women because they have literally zero chance of being competitive at the elite level. It is also unhealthy and dangerous to pressure kids under 12 to make a permanent life-altering choice.
How would athlete safety factor into your categories for sports such as boxing or rugby?
so called proponents, are just gas lighters and bots on board to confuse the majority of sane individuals
you will know NOBODY that supports this
go ahead an jail these people for instigating violent crime
no less
And yet if 'nobody' supports this, why is it that in 24 states and 5 US territories there are laws protecting our rights? Maybe more people believe in trans people deserve equality instead of being considered 'p**nographic' by law. Our existence is a right. Our gender is protected. And so is our ability to compete with others of our gender. People know this, and they know it is right.
[...] there are some physiological attributes on the basis of which we filter and others on which we don’t in sport. Long feet and torso offer a much more direct advantage compared to karyotype, your favorite filtering attribute, that correlate with a population-level statistical advantage.
Great post.
All of these twits saying 'but but but XY! testicles! XY!' seem to have no idea that a person can have an XY karyotype, and testicles, and complete feminization (possible due to a number of causes).
This includes but is not limited to 5-alpha reductase deficiency, which essentially prevents the 'male' effects of testosterone, with many patients being 'female' by any rational assessment, including that of their parents, doctors, and eventually their male sexual partners.
If they have testicles they are male. If they are XY they are male.
Men don't punch women in the face for a living. The boxer is male.
We all know that's bs. She is female. Why? Because she says so. Why are you whatever gender you are? Because you say so. End of story.
You are not a gender just because you say so. That is as ridiculous as saying you are whatever race because you say so. Or you are whatever age because you say so. Biology determines your gender. End of story.
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