Yep, this guy gets it. I remember watching John Candy sneak down the inside of Kipchoge at the mile 26 marker of the Berlin marathon and all of us in the crowd were screaming "beat him in a fair race John you coward".
Before the race I figured he had a real shot if he was there with 150 to go. That was the big question because he had not run sub 3:30 and that is how these races are run now. He was there. He launched to the inside and Jingy closed him off. He reset right behind Jingy looking for the opening. He was ready to go either direction and had superior speed. When Jingy drifted left he used his superior speed and went by to win.
If Jingy had stayed left, Hocker likely could have gone between him and Kerr. Result: Same.
Luck: Insane talent.
More skill than luck: Drive. Finding a great coach. Getting to the Olympics and into the final. Getting to the last 150m in a great position. Adapting to the available openings twice and executing a near perfect kick.
And Carl Lewis didn't make me 100 m or 200 M Olympic team in 1992. Maybe all those sprinting medals he had won in 1983 and 1987 and 1988 and 1991 were just lucky? Do you even know what you sound like?
Hocker is young, do you know the type of comparison you are making?
Why do you make such snide remarks? Elsewhere I've read one of your snooty comments about certain schools. Not feeling good about yourself?
It’s very easy to expose those who not only lack a sense of humor, but feel like everyone else must lack one as well. Why do you get angry that people can see humor as a positive? Why aren’t you judging yourself for thinking you know everything when it’s more likely that you know not know enough to be wrong about most things. PS Cornell is a poor man’s Brown
A lot of people will take this seriously and argue against it when this post is nothing but a childish troll post designed to rile people up. We all know what Hocker accomplished and nothing this child posts is going to change that.
If I were to give an example of an athlete not getting lucky, and instead, putting in a masterful tactical performance - it would be Centro's 2016 gold.
In regards to Hocker, I don't think you can "get lucky" and run 3:27. Perhaps he needed other athlete's to run in a certain way in order for him to get the win - but you could say that about every athlete in the field.
Did Jakob not get lucky in 2021, when Tim Cheruiyot pushed the pace, dragging Jakob away from all the other kickers in the field?
Did Josh Kerr not get lucky in 2023 for the same reason?
Centro perfectly executed and then as a result ended the sit and kick era. That’s how races were run then and he had a knack for always being in it tactically and had a great close. Not a fluke. Regarding Hocker, OP is clearly trolling but as others have mentioned you don’t luck your way into a 3:27.
Why do you make such snide remarks? Elsewhere I've read one of your snooty comments about certain schools. Not feeling good about yourself?
It’s very easy to expose those who not only lack a sense of humor, but feel like everyone else must lack one as well. Why do you get angry that people can see humor as a positive? Why aren’t you judging yourself for thinking you know everything when it’s more likely that you know not know enough to be wrong about most things. PS Cornell is a poor man’s Brown
Here are the QS World University Rankings for 2024: 1 MIT 2 University of Cambridge 3 University of Oxford 4 Harvard 5 Stanford 6 Imperial College London 7 ETH Zurich 8 National University o Singapore 9 UCL 10 University of California, Berkeley 11 University of Chicago 12 University of Pennsylvania 13 Cornell University 14 The University of Melbourne 15 Caltech 16 Yale University 17 Peking University 17 Princeton University 19 The University of New South Wales 19 The University of Sydney 21 University of Toronto 22 The University of Edinburgh 23 Columbia University . . . 73 Brown University . . . 237 Dartmouth University
That seem harsh on Dartmouth and possibly Brown.
Here is the list for 2024 according to ShanghaiRanking:
1 Harvard University 2 Stanford University 3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 4 University of Cambridge 5 University of California, Berkeley 6 University of Oxford 7 Princeton University 8 California Institute of Technology 8 Columbia University 10 University of Chicago 11 Yale University 12 Cornell University 12 Paris-Saclay University 14 University of Pennsylvania 15 University of California, Los Angeles 16 University College London 17 Johns Hopkins University 18 University of California, San Diego 18 University of Washington 20 University of California, San Francisco 21 ETH Zurich 22 Tsinghua University 23 Washington University in St. Louis 24 Peking University 25 Imperial College London 26 University of Toronto 27 Zhejiang University 28 The University of Tokyo 29 Rockefeller University 30 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
Cornell seems to be performing far better than your insult indicates. Globally, it places 13th and among the 8 Ivies 3rd according to QS; and globally tied for 12th and among the Ivies 5th according to ShanghaiRanking.
In response to the growing international competition among universities, systems of ranking are developed which are based on various quantitative and qualitative methods. The media and the active players in the areas of educa...
Definition of luck: Success apparently brought on by chance rather than through one's own actions. In what way did Hocker’s win come down purely to chance? It was all his own actions that lead to an incredible win.
*Wins the most important race a runner can win. if he never wins again, it could be worse.
Worse how? Nothing kills your legacy like being proved a fraud.
I would much rather have been Steve Cram than Peter Rono. Peter who? When was the last thread about him?
So much for the "most important race a runner can win" thing. Actually noone even cares. And don't go acting like you were a big Rono fanboy or something. No.
If I were to give an example of an athlete not getting lucky, and instead, putting in a masterful tactical performance - it would be Centro's 2016 gold.
In regards to Hocker, I don't think you can "get lucky" and run 3:27. Perhaps he needed other athlete's to run in a certain way in order for him to get the win - but you could say that about every athlete in the field.
Did Jakob not get lucky in 2021, when Tim Cheruiyot pushed the pace, dragging Jakob away from all the other kickers in the field?
Did Josh Kerr not get lucky in 2023 for the same reason?
Jakob did more work than Hocker, his win was not a fluke as he has won other races. What has Hocker won? US trials? That doesn’t count.
This race was run in a way to beat Hocker. If anything he was unlucky it went so fast. I would have thought the slower the race the more likely it was Hocker would win.
I get the OP's point. However, being a guy who got lucky also seems to be the wrong description for being able to kick ftw in a 3:27 Olympic final. Even if the same tactics recurred, if his limit was 3:28 no amount of luck would have helped.
Why do you make such snide remarks? Elsewhere I've read one of your snooty comments about certain schools. Not feeling good about yourself?
It’s very easy to expose those who not only lack a sense of humor, but feel like everyone else must lack one as well. Why do you get angry that people can see humor as a positive? Why aren’t you judging yourself for thinking you know everything when it’s more likely that you know not know enough to be wrong about most things. PS Cornell is a poor man’s Brown
Less than three days after Hayduke insults Cornell, Geoffrey Hinton and John Hopfield are announced as this year's two Nobel prize winners for physics, and among their various school and institutional affiliations, Hopfield has a Ph. D. from Cornell.
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